Building replica rolling stock?

The axle box could be done with a 3d printer if you have one that somebody can use an existing one for the drawings which will be fairly easy to do, this can be taken of the wagon or measured up on the wagon.

A power hacksaw could be used for most of the W iron as your Z3 could do with new ones to replace the BR ones that it is now carrying with some OK axleboxes as well.

 

The two WHHR projects we did (the Buffet Car and the Replica Ashbury) had underframes and bogies made for them.
I know that they are NG, but still ........... it can be done.

see : http://www.ipernity.com/doc/312383/album/539705 for *a few* images.

As for Standard Gauge - one or two of the W irons on the Bowes waggons were recent fabrications .......... as we saw when painting them.

see : http://www.ipernity.com/doc/312383/album/539653

 

This comment appeared on the NYMR Unofficial forum today on another subject but I think it may be relevant here. http://nymrunofficialforum.createforumhosting.com/post70782.html#p70782
The question being, if it is applied to the heritage movement in general, is it cheaper to build new or convert old?

On main line metals there is a notice going/gone out, and from leasing companies, saying all coaches on main line metals must have minimum of capture tanks fitted and operational by 2018, and disabled facilities on all trains to comply with the latest EU agreed regulation by 2020. Toilets may be extended to some operators to 2020. Too many trains still running, I believe, to complete by that date, I know the Pacer class 141/142/144 etc, are going to have £600,000 per unit spent on them to bring up to reach the new regulations. I thought a better idea was to save the money and send to scrap yard!
Are we exempt from this on our own Heritage line, and other heritage railways. Other than when running on main line to Whitby? That alone will be expensive and time consuming, but I presume already in our plans etc?

 

Could you not just lock all the toilets out of use to get round that one?

 

Well, you said it - this was before the Rudyard discoveries ....................

Hi StoneRoad can you enlighten me as to what these discoveries where as they sound interesting

 

See the latest Steam Railway, I think. A NSR goods brake van and a couple more NSR coach bodies, I think.

 

The best place for information on these coach bodies. http://www.knottycoachtrust.org.uk/news.html

 

@lynbarn and other interested people - What was found at Rudyard Lake ?
a) tw0 NSR first class bodies, both derelict but restorable
b) very derelict remains of an NSR Brake (third or composite - settled on Brake Third)
c) burnt remains of another coach

The Goods Brake Van sides were at another location.
Further details ......
http://www.knottycoachtrust.org.uk/news.html

The Knotty Coach Trust are now planning an Accessible Brake Coach, based on and incorporating the restorable remains from Rudyard, rather than the replica originally envisaged. However, this will be *a bit* more expensive than either 61, 127 or 28, fundraising has already begun ................. If anyone is interested in helping, I'm sure the Knotty Trust would accept donations.

 

Thanks guys for the infomation

Regards

Colin

 

Just to show how well the Knotty Trust are getting on, here's a photo of a replica ducket alongside the pattern used by Stangate, the remains of one of the duckets from the NSR brake discovered at Rudyard. This was being exhibited at the Warley National Model Railway Exhibition last month abd behind can be seen NSR 61 which was in the company of Bellerophon.

 

I'ld like to point out that that is an undercoat ............... the proper Victoria Brown was applied later ............... (says the one who did the painting!)

 

Like this you mean? (Photos: Dave Scragg)

 

Thanks, that's what I mean - someone walking past commented on "real paint" smell, apparently it went some way around Hall5 ...........

 

Has anybody looked at the Lynton and Barnstaple railway website, their heritage coaches actually contain parts of the original coaches they have been able to get hold of, but as far as I know, there are only two examples of L&BR coaching stock in existance that were never destroyed, one is in the NRM awaiting restoration, the other is on the Welsh FR, this one was rescued from Snapper Halt on the L&BR by FR volunteers, but they also found the burnt out remains of a third coach at the same time again at Snapper Halt. The aims of the L&BR preservation society is to have trains running on the line that represent the original stock, they are up front that the locomotives will be replicas as will be some of the rolling stock, I think this society is doing a grand job preserving a railway that was closed and dismantled back in 1935 whilst under Southern Railway ownership because it became uneconomical to keep running, it was not a decision taken lightly back then. I see no problem of having replicas around in preservation, as has been said, they fill in gaps, also, to have older carriages of 4-6 wheel configuration running today using the salvaged bodies that have been rebuilt is only possible by the means of building a hybrid chassis/underframe from donar vehicles that have gone beyond economical repair, but if such underframes have to be made new what is wrong with that?

 

Nothing wrong with new underframes at all, but that still leaves the need for wheelsets, axleboxes, springs, drawgear etc. Wheelsets in particular are not cheap to have built new especially if you require multiple wheelsets. By using a donor underframes those needs are catered for.

It is not impossible to manufacture everything new but it adds considerably to the costs. Most C&W departments are severely underfunded as it is.

 

I know all preservation societies heavily rely on donations from their memberships and of the general public, I have nothing but full admiration for what they are doing and achieving, I sometimes get to enjoy the fruits of their labours on railways like the Bluebell and the Watercress (Mid Hants), I would love to get to more but I am only on benefits since being medically retired from EWS as a driver back in 2010, but I do my utmost to replicate what I love in model form in both 4mm and 7mm scales

 

I understand that the L&B have now decided on the next carriage to be rebuilt: it will be composite no. 5. They have some original parts and will of course need new underframe, bogies etc. If anyone would like to support this carriage, please donate via the website annotating your donation for the carriage rebuild.

 

There are of course, Phillippa, other "lighter duties" if you will that you could perhaps get involved with for instance on the admin side of operations. Or perhaps if you have a bit of flare with I.T. matters i.e. websites etc you could help there. Granted not as much "fun" as getting you hands dirty in the workshops or out on the line etc. After all to quote Tesco......."Every little helps!"

 

Thank you for the comments back, I do keep my eyes on both the websites of the Lynton and Barnstaple and the Bluebell Railway, maybe I should look at others in the South of England that cover the Southern Railway area, I am not trained in I.T. but I can work my way around computers without blowing them up, if the start to play up, I use the tool that releases sticking safety valves on them, they then have a choice after being hit, fixed or completly messed up, I joke of course

 

I wasn't necessarily meaning I.T./computers per sa, just using them as an example of "other areas" that could be more suitable bearing in mind your health problems. Where you could possible help out, if you wish to volunteer ........Just thinking back/remembering Haworth on the Worth Valley back in the seventies they had a Guy with [I think] cerebral palsy or some such checking tickets of those getting on/leaving trains or platform tickets. He had a chair and was quite happy sitting there as were those coming and going from platform.