"Preserved" steam locos that were subsequently scrapped

Not at all. It's a hypothetical discussion of what to do with the bad bits IF 2 or more locos were combined to make a good one.

 

Be interesting to know who actually owns 25 and 11. Both are dumped at Sellindge, neither have had anything touched on them for years or anyone near them. There have been several disputes regarding who actually owns engines (e.g 34105 Swanage for instance) where documented evidence of ownership has been lost / destroyed etc. Same goes in numerous cases with wagons on various railways. Somebody brings it down with promises to restore and then disappears never to be seen again. Have they died, gone mad or got bored? If all the key people in a group melt away or life-expired what happens then? Preservation groups are not known for implementing succession plans!

D day for both these locos maybe on the horizon since the passing of Les Birch the land owner at Swann Farm. The steam rally held there since 1970 has officially been scrapped and I cannot see that those things will be allowed to sit there rent free much longer. The hot spanner may be out sooner than you all think. Same goes for the Bulleid Double Decker...

 

i think this should really be in the bulleids past and present section, ,but to answer your question, the engines are owned by one man each i believe, ,niether of whome have the money, or help to do much to them, the land they sit on is under a 99 year lease, signed by les 5 years ago, when it was going to become the restoration base of the harbour branch group , that obviously came to nothing, but the group stayed on working on Antwerp,

 

Despite what you may read in the press, NO parts of 34051 were "pinched" for 35029. It is unfortunate that my answers to a journalist were delayed by family illness.

 

Best move it to the diesel and electric thread then…

I cannot see that those engines will remain there for 99 years for one moment. Neither will the DD car. Long bit the hot axe and the land built on...

 

I didn't read anything in the press, but it has been my understanding for many years that some of the cab fittings were used on Ellerman Lines and i also understood replacements had to be made for some now. Thank you for correcting that

 

No problem, I'm just a bit raw over it as it's been printed recently despite our advising to the contrary. If you go to York and look, there are no non-ferrous fittings in 35029's cab at all.

 

were some of the cab fittings on 34051 "lost" sometime when it was in store then Anthony? i only ask because i can remember seeing a Brighton open day when the locos from Preston Park relics store were on display, and im sure several of them had lost cab fittings,

 

If the bad bits were rolled into one, then it makes the chances of overhauling all of the others infinitely more affordable.

Then the "bad" one could be displayed as a tribute to those restored at Barry, by lea

cash dependant, skill set availability, practicality, motivation and goodwill of course....

I find it doubtful that every MN will be thoroughly overhauled, but if a couple of no hopers are held out by die hards, leaving other groups with £xxK, or even £xxxK bills whilst a candidate to donate parts sits in a siding that would be sad...

Nice to dream of a day 1/3rd of the MN fleet is preserved operational, but 50 years since withdrawal, those which have little to no progress at this point, are a little shy in hope.

 

If the owners have signed a formal and legally prepared 99 year lease, then the land owner will need to use proper legal process to evict them, unless the rent (which I would suspect may be peppercorn) isn't being paid. Of course, we have seen a similar situation result in the loss of locomotive parts but suggesting an owner can just go in and cut up objects on site with proper legal authority is probably just wishful thinking from MM, knowing his views on the group that were to use the site as a base (per martin1656).

Steven

 

Thats one way at looking at it, i'm a bit more level headed, i have not been back to selinge for 3 or 4 years, but the problem is that you have owners who cant finance the restoration of either of the MN's and are not in the public eye, 35011, is nothing more than a boiler and 2 wheelsets on frames, and 35025 also has stalled, the problem is that like the crab, that both owners are not going to in their lifetime be able to restore anything, they just dont have the funds or public image or the group behind them to raise the funds, its only a matter of time, once Antwerp is done, will the group stay there, i dont think they will, the engine will have to move to earn money, most likily to either the East Kent ,or KESR, then the pressure will be on the owners as the son who now owns the land could sell it for re development and wave large sums at the ex RL staff, who have the lease to vacate aas they would with a working engine have no need of the site.

 

Err no. Way off line. The Rememberence Line was a dead duck from the off with absolutely no chance of success. Coming up with that name was a cunning and cynical ploy to get people to part with cash so that others could play trains. It fortunately died a death as it always would. And should...

I know Swan Farm as i live fairly close to it and took the traction engine up there for the rally that now Les his passed is now permantly cancelled. I cannot see any way those things will stay there. The DD car and various other bits I believe have no formal lease agreement in place and are at serious risk of scrapping (it is beyond repair anyway). LEs was a chap who loved steam and was happy to facilitate projects like these however he is no longer here and the tide of change is moving rapidly in this corner of Kent. Brocklebank Line is a great shame as much time and effort has gone into it. 11 however is a husk.

 

its not that straight foreward, South kent locomotives (RLA) own the lease, from the path along to the top field where the DD coach is, the lease covers everything left of the path, the other owners of the locos pay SKL to store their locos there, Lewis evens who owns the DD coach i believe may have already have lost it if he didnt pay the rent due. when i left, the group were trying to come to an agreement about it.

 

Can someone remind me did one of 35011 wheel sets end up with 34046?

If so what was the background story did it get purchased for 46? If so it sets the precedence for 11 becoming a parts donor.... also where did the wheel set removed from 46 end up?

 

yes when 35011 was withdrawn, it gave up its centre driver to another MN,and went to Barry with a plain axle, so it would have needed changing , but at the time the engine was expected to have been cut up but she instead was purchased by the brighton project, then when that folded she was purchased by her present owner. , when 34046 slipped a wheel on the axle, that one was swopped the wheel set from 34046, is at Selinge also or was when i was last there,

 

Has it died then, I thought they were still posting photos a few months ago...

 

NR have closed the branch permanently and I believe the station was being demolished ready for redevelopment

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what does this have to do with the 2 merchant navy locos ?
and by redevelopment do you mean more wasteland, that no one is going to touch with a bargepole? how long has it been now?? and not one pent house has, or will be built