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WCRC Licence Suspended

Dieses Thema im Forum 'What's Going On' wurde von 5944 gestartet, 2 April 2015.

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  1. henrywinskill

    henrywinskill Well-Known Member

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    Hopefully yours can be the last post and then good night




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  2. Big Al

    Big Al Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator

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  3. KentYeti

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    I say old boy, can we have a thread please, "List of threads covering WCRC suspension issues".

    It could contain a growing list of the threads with links, and a short idiots guide, (needed for Yetis at least), under each link stating which part of the debate is covered by each thread.

    Thank you so much
     
  4. Big Al

    Big Al Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator

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    Sorry Bryan. Suffering a humour bypass on this topic. Herding cats - scratchy ones at that - can become tiresome. On a topic as serious as this, some folk seem intent on turning it into a circus and #702 is an attempt to manage it.
     
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  5. GWR4707

    GWR4707 Nat Pres stalwart

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    I would honestly say close them all for now and reopen as and when something solid emerges to actually discuss - I am not sure if anything of any substance above multiple hypothetical discussions has come out over the weekend - going round in circles is just taking up server space and raising peoples blood pressure!

    On another point, apart from you does anyone else do any moderation anymore, whenever I read a topic and moderation is required its always your good self... hope they are paying you well! ;)
     
  6. conrailuk

    conrailuk New Member

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    Having waded through this thread, and having worked on the railway for almost 20 years, it seems one of WCRC´s failings
    most likely was post incident management responce and investigation.
    Its a fact of life that things will go wrong (be it a SPAD or loco failure) , its what and how they are investigated and recorded and lessons learned that may very well be a big reason for NR saying enough was enough.
    I wonder if WCRC have been audited in the past, having done many of these going back to Railtrack, they are not five minute jobs and do flag up short comings.
     
  7. Fred Kerr

    Fred Kerr Resident of Nat Pres Friend

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    Having noted that I have posted an E-mail to Scotland's First Minister Ms Sturgeon, I have now received the following initial response :


    Ministerial Correspondence Unit

    E: alexandra.mcintosh@scotland.gsi.gov.uk

    Our ref: 2015/0014076 13 April 2015

    Dear Mr Kerr

    I am writing to acknowledge receipt of your recent letter to Nicola Sturgeon regarding Fort William and the "Jacobite" Railtour programme.
    A reply will be provided to you as soon as possible. Yours sincerely,

    Alexandra McIntosh
    Ministerial Correspondence Unit
     
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    Dan Hill Part of the furniture

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    I do wonder if Tangmere is going to be let out again given its the loco involved in the SPAD (though possibly not through the fault of the loco), as well as its dropped rod incident.

    Wouldn't a DBS crew be needed for the diesel leg of the Statesmen Pullman on May 2nd as mentioned by Big Al a few pages back, from Weymouth to Hanwell (I assume that's where steam backs on/comes off) as well as a crew for the steam portion?

    Also wasn't Jeremy Hosking looking at setting up his own TOC complete with stock to run with his mainline registered locos and he now has his own works facilities at Crewe.
     
  9. Steamage

    Steamage Part of the furniture

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    Everyone keeps asking this question, in a hopeful-sounding manner (myself included!) but I don't know of anyone with any actual evidence of this. I suspect it's just wishful thinking...
     
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    flying scotsman123 Resident of Nat Pres

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    No evidence as such, but we know he's buying up stock to be overhauled to mainline standards at crewe, he bought crewe, and he already has a shedful of locos...
     
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    How can you blame specific loco for a SPAD?!
     
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    Bulleid Pacific Part of the furniture

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    My sentiments exactly. One the first posts I made on this thread was that people are quick to blame the locomotive. Even the rod incident wasn't necessarily the fault of the locomotive per se, as revealed by the RAIB investigation into that little episode.
     
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    30567 Resident of Nat Pres Friend

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    For anyone interested, I think the most relevant RAIB reports/bulletins from the last three years are Greenford, Stafford and Norton-on-Tees. In fact I think these are the only SPAD reports, though there may be others in progress. The analysis, lessons learned and recommendations are all interesting.
     
  14. mrKnowwun

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    Of particular note was Stafford.

    https://www.gov.uk/raib-reports/signal-passed-at-danger-at-stafford

    Which is an example of shockingly bad management and control, yet did not incur a suspension of access license.
     
  15. RalphW

    RalphW Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Administrator Friend

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    I think that sentiment should be modified, there are some on this thread who are quick to blame anybody and everything, without knowing the true situation, they throw completely spurious comments/arguments into the mix and generally talk a load of bulls danglies.
    I have recently talked informally to several railway employees from various sides, including NR, and they are of the same opinion in saying that my comment above sums it up very well. Quite a few of these people do watch what is going on here and 4 picked out the same 3 names as being the worst offenders. Read into that what you will, and if the caps fits just stand back and take stock.
     
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    Swiss Toni Well-Known Member

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    I told you that "Speckled Hen" would get you into trouble Henry!
     
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    Enterprise Part of the furniture

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    Which comment above?
     
  18. Big Al

    Big Al Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator

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    It doesn't surprise me that unattributed second-hand comments by people in the steam and/or national rail business think that many comments on here are so far wide of the mark that they are out of sight. Is it not significant that some key people who occasionally visit the Forum, have knowledge and will definitely have a view are choosing not to comment?

    That's wisdom in my view. My guess is that at some point either WCRC or NR will make a further statement. Then there will be more on which to reflect.
     
  19. MellishR

    MellishR Resident of Nat Pres Friend

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    On the other thread
    Given one or other of those as being the likely outcome, I think we should all be saying "WCRC, please get your act together pronto".
     
  20. RalphW

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    Exactly and the point being that why should NR or WCRC make a statement to us or anyone else at the moment, it's actually none of our business.
     
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