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Heritage Line Loco Power Requirements

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    Something to do with with the way the switch to diesels was managed perhaps? I know far more about the modernisation process over in Ireland than what happened here!
     
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    There was a WR policy to dieselise everything west of Exeter by 1962, so DMUs on the branches was a tick in a box, there seems to have been no attempt made to market the new service etc.
     
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    A lot of services on the LMR which were dieselised with DMUs also closed not many years afterwards.
     
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    Although no amount of marketing would have improved the location of Ilfracombe Station, and even many stations close-ish to places they were supposed to serve had little passenger traffic out of the holiday season, the closure of the Budleigh Salterton line always seemed like an own goal.
     
  5. paulhitch

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    T9s started to go much earlier
     
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    DMUs started to be introduced much earlier, so what?
    72A had 17 different T9s up to 1958, how many did they need to run the North Cornwall line?
     
  7. paulhitch

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    I think he must be a closet big chufferite because if you enquire why so and so machine cannot work a given service you get reams of statistics which "prove" you require something twice the size.

    Sorry Tom!

    Just to explain my own attitude to the "big stuff". I have no objection to them as such but there are no more than two or three places that really need them. With the prospect of major civil engineering works coming up, costs need to be watched.

    PH
     
  8. paulhitch

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    1957 for Southern Region D.E.M.Us
     
  9. Martin Perry

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    There were other types available before that.
     
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    Southern Region, who operated the lines concerned at the time?
     
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    They were all part of the same enterprise.
    If the will had been there, there is no reason why DMUs could not have been introduced earlier in the areas.
     
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    Ahem, on the Withered Arm?
     
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    The truth is these lines were doomed the moment they became under the control of Western Region, The GWR, never accepted the Southern Railway in what they saw as their territory once the lines west of Salisbury were handed over, old rivalries came to the fore, singleing much of the Southern route to Exeter west of Salisbury, closure of the majority of the branches, closure of the northern route to Plymouth, basically the management did not want any competition to their route, it has to be remembered that the management of western region, were GWR managers, and the majority of cuts and line closures were at the cost of the former Southern lines, then GW branches how did loe survive, or falmouth? they were just as remote as the likes of ilfracombe, its probally luck that Barnstable was not closed could more had been done? well local services could have been done better, tieing into other routes such as Ilfracombe to paignton stoppers. or by making better use of what stock was available.
     
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    An easy blame but they were probably doomed anyway.
     
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    Wasn't that quite an early closure?
     
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    There were times when this was debatable!
     
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    Similar applied to the Somerset and Dorset. The GWR and it successor never forgave it for selling out from under them to the Midland and LSWR.

    They were an unforgiving lot at Paddington and Swindon! And with long memories.
     
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    It could be a bit suprising then that the WR took DMUs to work the branches, after all, they didn't originate from Swindon, with the exception of the class 120..
     
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    North Cornwall 1966.
    Padstow 1967.
    Bude 1966.
    Ilfracombe 1972.
    Okehampton - Plymouth 1972.
     
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    Thanks, I assumed it was earlier than that. I associate it with Spam Cans and T9s I suppose
     

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