Brighton Atlantic: 32424 Beachy Head

Paul - mainline running is a nonsense, as surely you are astute enough to realise. The loco has been built by the railway for use on the railway: there is absolutely no commercial justification to build a loco just so it can be used to haul trains hither and thither for someone else.

As for building something round the spare H class boiler: if you are a BRPS member, then the correct route would be to argue for the inclusion of such a project within the BRPS long term plan, which I believe should be up for its regular review within the next year or so. Finding a team of skilled engineers and fundraisers to assemble round such a project might make it more likely to be accepted as a viable proposal. In the meantime, endless whinging every time any news is posted is not calculated to win hearts and minds towards such a project.

Tom

 

I know there are no plans to certify it but hypothetically if the correct gubbins were installed could it be?

 

I like how you say that as if the whole project was a “bad decision”.

No one is denying your right to an opinion.

I am however calling you out for being an insufferable human being today. You do not have papel infallibility and you are not always correct in your views.

Moreover, you do everyone involved in the Atlantic project an enormous disservice every time you decide to make a snide comment or lament the use of the GNR boiler.

Your views have been often heard and often come across in very unpleasant ways. Do us all a favour and give it a rest.

 

I love the Ivatts being on my beloved IoWSR

 

And I actually have no problem with the choices the IOSWR have made.

But the hypocrisy of Paul rolling up to the Atlantic thread and making declarations of big chufferitis and often on historical accuracy when the Ivatts never made it to the IOW in the first place beggars belief!

 

Thanks Tom for a calm reply. I am not a Bluebell member but I do admire particularly its ability to raise funding even for projects I don't especially rate.

Have you considered a L.C.D.R. B2? They were supposed to be stronger in their original form than a S.E.R. O and strength rather than speed is what you will be needing.

PH

P.S.

Should have said I agree with your thoughts on main line running. Would need something much bigger to be remotely viable

 

Do you even hear yourself Paul?

 

Going off at a slight angle. I'd like to see 251 as the original Great Northern large boilered Atlantic, restored to running order so as to run a series of comparison trips. Just to see what differences there'd be betweern a Doncaster original and Brighton copy. Ok Beachy has a G.N. boiler....... though that to me is a minr point. What's more you'd need to do one of two things to 251s boiler. Re-instate the superheater header+ elements or replace the front and back tubeplates with the original non-superheated 'plates. As Alan Peglar found in the fifities when 251 last steamed they had to fit "dummy" superheater elements in the flues makng her steam much better.

 

Or you yourself?

 

I’m well aware I am being trite, sarcastic and also replying to you directly.

You have in two pages made it quite clear how much you care about other people’s feelings or the project in question.

Perhaps you could apologise to Tom for your snide asides in what was simply an update post?

 

There are a number of people here who can be disagreed with civilly. Tom is one and I have already thanked him for his civility.

PH

 

And more power to your and the IoWRS's elbow.

 

Your inability to be humble or admit a fault is astonishing Paul.

 

I am beginning to feel sorry for Courier and any other person who crosses you. About time we stopped replying to one another I suspect.

 

Your playing the victim when you are the sole cause of the disagreement is astonishing. The mental gymnastics required must be exhausting.

And I quite agree: speaking or reasoning with you is an absolute waste of my time.

 

Well I have never spoken to you at all so I am puzzled. Am now switching you to "ignore"

 

Actually if you want to be totally authentic about it had the Ivatts or their BR 2 tanks had been transfered to the island the 02's would have been withdrawn for scrapping So now that 41313 has been transfered, that must mean that the last 02, can now be withdrawn for scrapping wasnt that how it worked? except now there is no scrap merchant knocking on the office door , saying, we've come for the 02,
I happen to think the new build Brighton Atlantic is a worthwhile project, i never saw a original Brighton Atlantic but this means hopefully i will soon, and i will feel the same if an replica Island BP 2-4-0-T ever gets built .

 

Martin,
The "story goes" that on the two occasions a B.R. 2MT made it to Eastleigh for air braking to be fitted the shed foreman concerned had sent an example nearly as bad as the O2s! The second time was really too late in the day anyway. Although an early S.R. appointee to the IOW opined that "Eastleigh never understood air brakes" by the time the transfer of the 2-6-2Ts was envisaged, someone in the drawing office designed a much neater application than provided for the O2s. This has been useful lately.

There is an E1 for attention before before any question of replicas arises. A replica Ryde Pier tramcar is underway.

Sorry for the diversion.

PaulH

 

lol ! this is fun . I thought it was only fishing forums that have people spitting dummies .

fact is the new Beachy Head is an Atlantic . it will probably be the only one we have unless some wheels fall off the Saint ,that alone makes it a worthwhile exercise . it will look like 32424 ,so it will be a lovely thing . but it wont be the real thing , sadly . neither will it be a GNR loco. .it will be a Bitsa. but is that so bad really ?
the Bluebell have to be commercially viable , and this engine will pull in the punters ,and I doubt many people will know where the rivets should be .

I will admit , when the project was mooted I felt uneasy . still do as it happens , but with the sensible head on I have to ask "why not"?

 

At least he's not talking about Edward Thompson for once (Sorry Simon, open door...)

Try reading the Brighton Belle thread...