Steam extremes

Can anyone tell me the following (in each case for regular scheduled services, not one-off records)?
- the furthest that a single loco took a service without changing the loco. I suspect there would be some long distances in the US, e.g. the Pennsylvania RR and the NYC.
- the furthest a loco ran regularly without refuelling en route (i.e. coaling).
- the furthest a loco ran without stopping to take water (troughs and extra tenders/bowsers are allowed!)
- the furthest a loco ran without changing crew

 

From Wikipedia

On 8 August 1989 Flying Scotsman set another record en route to Alice Springs from Melbourne, travelling 679 kilometres (422 mi) from Parkes to Broken Hill non-stop, the longest such run by a steam locomotive ever recorded.[7]

I believe that the London - Edinburgh via the ECML was the longest non stop run ever attempted on a regular basis at 392 miles

 

Prior to Scotsman's effort in 1989, the record had been held for many years by (4)6113 Cameronian when it ran from Euston to Glasgow non=stop (401 miles). I think it was a single driver but two firemen on the footplate for this epic journey. There is also an argument that, when the East coast line was flooded in 1953, the Kings Cross Edinburgh 'non-stop' was diverted and the diversion was a good bit longer than the direct route but I don't think any official records exist of a loco actually doing it non-stop.

 

Need to have a look through my library, but I'm sure there's a record of an A4 doing a non stop during the 1953 diversions.

 

The East Coast floods were in 1948 - not 1953 - and details of the flood diversions are recorded in the Harry Knox book (Haymarket Motive Power Depot, Edinburgh - A History of the Depot, its work and its locomotives 1842 - 2010) where on Pages 150-151 he details the Haymarket crews setting the challenge on the southbound run beginning on 24 August 1948 when 60028 Walter K Whigham worked the longer route of 408.65 miles non-stop. Harry Knox notes confusion between the details noted in RCTS Locomotives of the LNER Part 2A and OS Nock's The Gresley Pacifics but it appears to be agreed that during the 1948 Summer timetable Haymarket drivers recorded 22 non-stop runs (14 southbound and 8 northbound) involving 60012 Commonwealth of Australia, 60022 Mallard, 60027 Merlin, 60028 Walter K Whigham, 60029 Woodcock and 60031 Golden Plover.

 

The exploits are all very interesting, thank you.
However they are all going off-piste into one-off records (surely not thread drift, on NP?!?!?!)
I was wondering whether, for example, anyone can confirm if the Pennsy's locos/crews ran through from Harrisburg to Chicago (and likewise the NYC from Harmon to Chicago)?
How about other long services in the US, Canada, Australia, US, Argentina, etc. Did they change loco? Crew? Take on coal?
For example, on the Buenos Ayres Great Southern/Ferrocarril Sud in Argentina, Buenos Aires Plaza Constitucion to Bahia Blanca is 640km, and the night express was often an 800ton train, hauled by a 12E Class pacific (not non-stop).

 

I Remember reading somewhere the ATSF 2900's ran the longest distance without a Loco Change in the US.

Photo for those unfamiliar https://www.theclio.com/web/entry?id=41474

 

Pardon the pedantry but the A4 exploits were ONE-OFF events albeit with a number of occasions on which it occurred. The 1948 floods were a one-off event which caused the ECML diversions hence qualify under your criterion.

 

NYC ran Harmon to Chicago with Hudsons but changed engines at Buffalo. Niagaras ran through.

 

yes but the topic is referring to through workings, not necessarily non-stop ones. Thus there could well be much longer workings of a single loco on a number of routes

 

But the non-stop takes the record for the longest without stopping to take water and probably for refuelling, as well.

 

in the Uk perhaps, but again the OP does not say nonstop and could include trains that make one or more station stops.

 

What about the Norfolk and Western? Did the streamlined express locos work through from Hagerstown to Roanoke? That's 380 miles. I'm thinking of the famous book by O Winston Link.

 

Apart from https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/news/in-depth/1953-east-coast-flood

 

and a LMS compound ran non stop Euston -Glasgow the day before The Flying Scotsman train inaugural train in 1928

 

Thanks for the info. And idea of the distance? And how did they refuel en route?

 

AFAIK US Railroads had coaling towers on the running lines so locos could be coaled at a station stop

 

Always in the LNER shadow !!!!!

 

Where can I read of this and why was it done?

 

Report from Wikipaedia :

In 1927 LNER started the famous non-stop express train Flying Scotsman from London to Edinburgh. Speeds respected the old agreement and so were low, but time was gained through making the run non-stop over the whole distance of 393 miles (632 km). This was done by means of a special corridor tender which allowed engine crew changes at speed. However to show that the old rivalry was not dead, just prior to the inaugural date of the LNER train, the LMS thwarted them by running separate "non-stop" trains from London to Glasgow (401 miles/645 km) and London to Edinburgh (399 miles/642 km). These were operated respectively by one of the new Royal Scot locomotives and by a standard LMS Compound 4-4-0 locomotive both with volunteer crews.