Edmonson tickets a lost "cause" for ever?

I guess most heritage line do have a barrow or two and sack trucks. Usually nicely painted with little signs of wear!
I know of one GWR maintained (national system) station that has a barrow but I have never seen it used.

 

The SVR has a cattle van, and at the recent Goods Gala the Arley station staff put on demonstrations of parcels and sundries handling.

 

I think the MHR has a cattle wagon and a fake bull who travels in it at galas.

 

Good to hear, a useful educational resource.

 

Plenty of real bull here in Somerset.

Robin

 

The MHR one is a ‘fake’ having started life as a normal LMS box van. I’m not sure (not having looked up the diagram) but I think real cattle vans had a longer wheelbase. The SVR example is an original. But they are thin on the ground.


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Hayling Island and some parts of the Isle of Wight are the place to go and see (and hear) talking bullocks.

I didn't know that. I'm assuming that because cattle traffic stopped relatively early they were simply not around to be saved.

 

"You might think that. I couldn't possibly comment"

 

We do have a LBSCR wooden framed cattle wagon here at Havenstreet on the " Isle of Wight " although it was converted by the SR into a PLV ( Passenger Luggage Van ) When it can be afforded it will be overhauled and converted back to a Cattle Wagon. Given time it could transport those " talking bullocks "

 

Interesting that you would think of a backwards conversion - even allowing for the scarcity of cattle vans, isn’t it more interesting in an IoW context as latterly converted to a PLV?

Tom

 

Well it did arrive as a cattle van.

 

Would allow easier egress of the hot air eminating from the island, perhaps.

Robin

 

Possible IOW Rly 3rd class coach gary ? all you have to do is fit wooden benches ,
so, how did we get from ticket questions to cattle wagons, is there a link between the two, other than early 3rd class being very similar to how livestock was transported.

 

They're selling a ride on vintage carriage stock behind a steam engine, from one restored station to another, with some semaphore signals around to complete the atmosphere (hopefully). The rest of it (ticket wibble) really doesn't matter and is just nerdy minutiae.

Shall we ban the use of the internet to promote railways? Discontinue online pre-booking? Insist on payment in pre-decimal cash, guineas or cheque only? Go back to offering only tar-like tea and curled-up dried-out sandwiches by way of food and drink to passengers? Revert to having one filthy nameless black tank engine on a two-carriage train? Come off it! Most preservation-era innovations are a tangible improvement on what went before. The major exception is the increasing prevalance of diesel motive power in places where it was hitherto unknown, especially the Bluebell.

 

I can kind of see where you're coming from, and I'm never particularly fond of the "well we might as well just run a DMU" argument, but you're still categorically wrong. Of course we get rid of the filthy aspects of steam railways, it's preservation through rose-tinted specs, I think most people will agree with that. But there is no disadvantage to having Edmondson tickets so you might as well have them. Once again, have you ever been a BOC or a Guard/TTI on a heritage railway? Because everyone on this thread who is knows that they are appreciated by more than "nerds" and they really aren't any bother at all.

 

Why are small things like tickets "nerdy minutiae", but not the authenticity of stock, locomotives, or stations? It's the small things that matter in creating atmosphere - the bakers at Beamish jars, because it has a modern EPOS till framed in a period counter set-up. That undermines the impression of age quite effectively!

 

Will those talking bullocks will be offered an authentic edmondson when they travel?

I’d assume that if any animals were ever transported they would be small heritage breeds authentic to the Isle of Wight and not some giant modern giant breed. I’d hate for there to be an outbreak of big cowitis

Cows to Cowes.

 

Well, there clearly ARE disadvantages to Edmondsons because there's a whole load of stuff you can do with EPOS that simply isn't possible with Edmondsons. The moment you try to do something combining EPOS with Edmondson, the latter becomes a WIBN souvenir rather than a vital piece of the operational puzzle... and no, I'm just commenting from the perspective of a long-time visitor.

Authenticity of locomotives? If I turn up somewhere to find an Austerity dolled up as a J94, or an 8F in Crimson Lake, or a Jubilee in BR maroon or black, I'm honestly not going to be bothered in the slightest. Stations are often extensively rebuilt, altered or expanded from their BR/pre-nationalisation era form: Sheffield Park, for example, is pretty much unrecognisable, with the huge shed/works, the restaurant & gift-shop building, etc etc - and an original LBSCR structure was recently butchered to make way for the new museum. Horsted Keynes now has the huge carriage shed/restoration workshop. Kingscote is the only one that looks broadly original. The MHR is a bit more authentic on this front, but Ropley has been similarly transformed with the big shed complex, Alresford has the ex-Lyme Regis building added, Alton is split between MHR and NR with a modern lift-equipped footbridge across NR's lines...

In the overall scheme of things, all this wibble over tickets just DOES NOT MATTER. Seriously - focus on stuff that's actually important! This isn't!

 

Same as the pub. Lovely old Victorian boozer but a poxy new electric till.

 

Once again, how on earth is it either or? Can you give any examples where a railway has switched to Edmondson at the expense of something else? (Not just something they also haven't done, a causal link) Folk who actually know, like @Bean-counter, say that EPOS is very expensive for the limited advantages it gives. Even if you decide on a system where Edmondsons are just souvenirs, what's wrong with that? It's pretty easy to arrange, not that expensive and isn't going to add any time to the ticket-buying process at the hatch.