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Discussion in 'Heritage Rolling Stock' started by gwalkeriow, Oct 16, 2017.

  1. dlaiow

    dlaiow New Member

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    Yes, we even had a lady last week who asked for mine & Pete's autographs in the Oldbury IRN supplement she'd just brought.
     
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    Your spelling is wrong surely?
    It’s the Aisle of White, which is next over from the Aisles of Kitchen Paint and Varnish, and just across from Power Tools and Lawnmowers.


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    Reading General Part of the furniture

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    my daughter when small referred to it as the Isle of Yew. cute wasn't in it
     
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    Greenway Part of the furniture

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    At least with land you can see what you're fighting over. Bombing each other into oblivion because they don't believe in your imaginary friend in the sky is even more pointless.
     
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    martin1656 Nat Pres stalwart Friend

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    I agree that the programme has done a lot to bring coach restoration to the fore, and about time, Railways have no problem attracting funds to restore an engine, but how many have similar budgets where the coaching stock is concerned? yet what do the traveling public ride in? yes that coach , if your at a railway that has seen the light it will be clean, well presented , and a joy to behold, vintage, or MK1, people like newly upholstered seats, varnished wood, a vehicle that is clean and comfortable, and gives that good first impression, but it could also be tatty, threadbare and unloved, yet hauled by an freshly outshopped loco except what do passengers travel in? whats the thing they will notice , an outshopped loco, or the tatty coach they are spending the next how ever long in?
     
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  7. Martin Perry

    Martin Perry Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator Friend

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    Really??!! :eek:
     
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    martin1656 Nat Pres stalwart Friend

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    What I mean was its normally easier to attract funding for an engine, than a coach
     
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    We currently have two carriage appeals running, the Oldbury carriage restoration appeal for £50k to complete the restoration of IWR 10 and start the restoration of IWR 21 as this is a very recent appeal I have no figures to indicate its progress. The second appeal is for the restoration of our 3 SECR bogie coaches primarily to repair the heavily corroded underframes, the appeal is for £200k and has passed the £150k mark. So yes it is possible to raise funds for carriages.
     
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  10. paulhitch

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    I.W.R. No, 10 has had her air braking system completed and is undergoing trials.Was seem today in a siding coupled to D2059 and brake 3rd. 4115. Intriguing that it never saw service under either the S.R. or B.R.

    I.W.R. 21's body is making steady progress and will use the second kit of parts for a laminated wooden underframe. It will be interesting to see if anywhere else uses this system which has the potential to return six wheeled vehicles to service with their original wheel arrangement.
     
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    I've just found this show on Channel 4s catch up service. I think all the episodes are available. Interesting reading through this thread, now looking forward to watching the rest of the series.
     
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    I suspect that the special IRN that was produced describing the project could well still be available to buy from the Havenstreet shop.
     
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    There were still copies there this week. Incidentally for those not in the know, "IRN" stands for "Island Railway News". This issue gives considerable detail of the planning and work involved.
     
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    Whats the cost of these laminated wooden underframes how does it compare to using an PMV underframe, of course you still need a suitable set of wheels and axleboxes etc, and the new drag boxes etc, but I would assume these are welded fabrications, is there a readily available supply of wheel sets and axle boxes without using PMV parts ?
     
  15. paulhitch

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    My answer to most of these questions has to be "don't know". The wheeels are quoted as being of 3ft. diameter, not from a PMV. The axleboxes and their covers are newly made, hence the fond initials "IWR" as on the latter.
     
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    In that case can someone who does know answer this ? , is it more cost effective both in materials and time it takes to have this new build underframe option, than to go down the ex PMV type route? as on the face of it, you would need different sized wheel sets than what are fitted to most PMV type vehicles anyway, so reducing the attractiveness of using a PMV chassis in the first place .
     
  17. paulhitch

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    I don't understand the point being made. The aim was to achieve the restoration of a very historic type of vehicle to its C19th condition with the minimum of compromises.

    The IOWSR is an Arts Council Accredited Museum.Whether it was cheaper or more expensive than using a PMV frame cut down was not the issue. Suggest you go and look at the result.
     
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    Paul, hes not trying to make a point, he's just asking a relatively straightforward question about costings, practicality and whether the laminated newbuild underframe concept could be a more widespread viable alternative to PMV- munching. I would like to know, too. No implications, just good old-fashioned curiosity.
     
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    Whatever the actual cost, it is bound to be more than altering a PMV underframe. That is whilst there are still PMV's to be had.
     
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    I vaquely remember reading somewhere that PMV underframes weren’t considered suitable for use on the Oldburys. Not just the historical accuracy issue, but also something to do with the fact that Oldburys are so short.

    Regarding availability of parts, old wagon wheel sets were used on no.10. I don’t foresee any shortage of derelict wagons on heritage railways that could be raided for wheel sets any time soon. Even manufacturing new wheel sets is a possibility one day. The IOWSR only didn’t do this due to time restraints and cost reasons.
     
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