Liveries!

Above "3440 City of Truro did 102.3mph down Whiteball" but below "a Saint did 135mph light engine"?

 

Modellers in the UK are very lucky with published material. In the case of the Black 5s there are book series from Irwell Press, Wild Swan and Oxford Publishing. There is no excuse for getting it wrong

 

plus the RCTS

 

I left them out as I’ve never seen their publications for sale in normal outlets

 

Assuming you are not keen on buying on the internet, Book Law has a physical shop (in Nottingham), which must be quite rare these days, and acts as the stockist for the RCTS internet / mail order sales. They also have stalls at various places - I think they are at Warley this weekend and there are generally discounts available from list.

 

As gwalkerlow posted above B.R. Passenger Loco Green was not "Brunswick Green" but the same shade as GWR Middle Chrome Green.
When 44806 came to Steamport from the Lakeside & Haverthwaite in 1974 it had the same lined green livery as 44932 which was definitely lighter than B.R. Passenger Green and more akin to Brunswick green. It was, however, quickly repainted in unlined black but a tell-tale patch of green remained inside the 'cycling lion' crest until it was rebuilt at Llangollen many years later.
In the late 60's/early 70's Steamtown Carnforth repainted most of its locos in what were referred to at the time as "Fairground Liveries". The Fairburn tanks, 42073/85 were painted in L&NWR Blackberry Black and Caley blue respectively. 46441 was in LMS style lined Crimson Lake, 44871 was unlined black, 44932 was green (as above), 45407 was in pseudo Furness red and 61306 was in apple green. 45321 may have been in black.
Nostalgia's not what it used to be!
Ray.

 

No 8Fs, although some army ones were painted blue at Longmoor. I think it was five(?) Black Fives given experimental liveries in 1948, but can't remember if Brunswick Green was one of them.

 

Did I remember this right?
The BTC were invited to decide the livery for the mixed-traffic fleet by means of specially painted Black 5s. While they were all looking at them another 5, in LNWR livery, joined the party and put the rest in the shade, so to speak. The comment passed by one of the great and good was "Riddles, you b*****d". Argument settled. (Riddles was ex-LNWR.)
Does anyone remember this?
Pat

 

My understanding is that "Brunswick Green" is a more blue-ish shade, such as the loco colours of the Great Central Rly and the South Eastern & Chatham Rly.

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/i...rm-butler-henderson-exclusive-edition-launch/

Looking at pictures from the Bluebell Railway, this colour seems to harmonize very well with the British Rail 1950s carriage livery of "blood and custard" - I think better than the standard GWR/BR loco green.

http://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/bluebell/pic2/wn-2012d/263_sloop_wr_derekh5886_5dec12h.jpg

 

It’s s well known story first told, I believe by E S Cox

 

Even if Brunswick Green is not an accurate term for the colour I think everyone understands what is meant by it, BR express passenger livery

 

Everyone except anyone who knows what colour Brunswick green actually is [grin]...
There's something gloriously self referential in defining a colour by a name being used incorrectly, and then basing one's understanding of the shade on the incorrect usage

I wonder how many modellers over the years have painted their models in real Brunswick green? And, to be brutally honest, the memory for colour shades is so erratic that most will never have realised the colour variation.

 

The trouble is John that some Loco owners have in the past taken Brunswick green as the accurate colour and actually painted their locos in that colour and then wondered why people were saying why is it such a strange shade ? I will not name any of them for fear of embarrassing them. We are still in the situation where their are still some who think that BR green is correctly called Brunswick and so the myth is perpetuated.

 

Remember a certain pink Royal Scot? I'll get my coat.
Ray.

 

The problem is that there is a British Standard colour termed Brunswick green, sub-divided into Light Brunswick, Middle Brunswick and Deep Brunswick. None of those are remotely like the green used by BR on steam locos. If you continue to use the wrong name, it will, and has, lead to the wrong colour paint being applied by those who don't know better.

Edit,
G Walker posted almost exactly the same comment whilst I was thinking about mine.

 

Thanks a lot for your information LMS2968!

 

Thankfully I not described it as olive green livery!
(If so I would probably be refused entrance to Britain!

 

I'd hope not! Olive Green was, after all, the Southern Railway's livery for passenger locos in Maunsell's days and very attractive it looks on a King Arthur, Schools or S15. It was a bit too dull for Mr Bulleid, but while his Malachite Green suited his Pacifics, personally I don't think it suited the Maunsell or pre-grouping engines as well as the previous colour.

 

In which case, perhaps the shade used by BR on their steam locos might better be referred to as Fairy Liquid Green...

 

I thought it looked ok when I caught it at Berwyn in full sunshine