If you register, you can do a lot more. And become an active part of our growing community. You'll have access to hidden forums, and enjoy the ability of replying and starting conversations.

Liveries!

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by 61624, Jan 17, 2018.

  1. tony51

    tony51 New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2010
    Messages:
    146
    Likes Received:
    327
    It is obviously best to keep pre-grouping locomotives hidden well away from any railways. Unfortunately, now that the location of this loco in its beautiful livery has been exposed here, someone will inevitably be along with a can of BR black paint to make it look like everything else.
     
  2. Matt37401

    Matt37401 Nat Pres stalwart

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2014
    Messages:
    15,327
    Likes Received:
    11,664
    Occupation:
    Nosy aren’t you?
    Location:
    Nowhere
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Like 8572, the Y14, Caley's 828 and 419 I could go on...
     
    S.A.C. Martin likes this.
  3. Jamessquared

    Jamessquared Nat Pres stalwart

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2008
    Messages:
    26,100
    Likes Received:
    57,416
    Location:
    LBSC 215
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Or 263, 65 and 178, all operational and all just itching to be let out into the sunshine :(

    Tom
     
    S.A.C. Martin, Matt37401 and 2392 like this.
  4. Matt37401

    Matt37401 Nat Pres stalwart

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2014
    Messages:
    15,327
    Likes Received:
    11,664
    Occupation:
    Nosy aren’t you?
    Location:
    Nowhere
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    I did realise someone would pull me up about the Bluebell's collection!
     
  5. Jamessquared

    Jamessquared Nat Pres stalwart

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2008
    Messages:
    26,100
    Likes Received:
    57,416
    Location:
    LBSC 215
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    I'm pining for the H ...

    Tom
     
  6. MattA

    MattA Member

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2014
    Messages:
    309
    Likes Received:
    342
    Location:
    82F
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Personally I don't mind these old locos having different spells in some or all of their different liveries, including BR ones e.g. 419 going from one shade of CR blue to BR black to another shade of CR blue, or the Y14 having spells in LNER black, BR black and GER blue, or 4566 having BR green, GWR green then BR black, etc. etc.

    As for a wish list, I wouldn't mind seeing a Jubilee in post-war black or a Schools in BR black (did any of the preserved ones actually use those liveries?)....
     
    Johnme101 likes this.
  7. Johnb

    Johnb Nat Pres stalwart

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2014
    Messages:
    14,315
    Likes Received:
    16,391
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired, best job I've ever had
    Location:
    Buckinghamshire
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    All the Schools were in black, it was a bureaucratic error that decreed a 4-4-0 could not be classed as an express engine and only corrected when the regions were given more autonomy in 1956, one or two didn’t make it into green. I believe, of the preserved Jubilees only 5593 received the lined 1946 livery
     
    MattA likes this.
  8. tony51

    tony51 New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2010
    Messages:
    146
    Likes Received:
    327
    Sorry posted by accident and don’t know how to delete it ... now I’m here I might as well say “please don’t paint any Schools class BR black ....”
     
    Last edited: Mar 27, 2020
    ross and 240P15 like this.
  9. LesterBrown

    LesterBrown Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2009
    Messages:
    995
    Likes Received:
    761
    Location:
    Devon
    Strange how they painted Hardwicke and Cornwall in BR mixed traffic black...

     
    Hirn, Spinner, andrewshimmin and 6 others like this.
  10. Johnme101

    Johnme101 New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2016
    Messages:
    123
    Likes Received:
    97
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Stowmarket
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Why it is a livery they carried and no Schools have yet to wear it in preservation. BR lined black looks good on 4-4-0s.
     
    30854 likes this.
  11. 30854

    30854 Resident of Nat Pres

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2017
    Messages:
    12,172
    Likes Received:
    11,493
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Brighton&Hove
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    And ......
    Contrasting nicely with all that polished brass and copper, it looked pretty damned good on the 'Manors' too
    ...... run!
    :Bag:
     
  12. Jamessquared

    Jamessquared Nat Pres stalwart

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2008
    Messages:
    26,100
    Likes Received:
    57,416
    Location:
    LBSC 215
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Well, certainly better than that insipid green most GWR engines are painted in ;)

    Tom
     
  13. LesterBrown

    LesterBrown Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2009
    Messages:
    995
    Likes Received:
    761
    Location:
    Devon
    That's not how you spell inspired.
     
    ross, Spinner, 30854 and 4 others like this.
  14. andrewshimmin

    andrewshimmin Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2011
    Messages:
    1,761
    Likes Received:
    2,160
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Riddles' revenge, I've always thought of it :)
    And very handsome it is too, if you're going to paint them black, at least do it properly. The Crewe lining sets off a (clean!) black engine just perfectly. I presume seeing the Midland Compounds in that livery was the really satisfying thing...

    Although in fact, perhaps surprisingly, there little evidence that LNW folks were offended by their locos going into Midland red in the 1920s. Not least because they all looked pretty handsome in it (as, in my opinion, does everything!).
    Some have inferred nefarious reasons for the hiatus painting locos red at Crewe in the 1924-26 period, but it seems to have been established pretty conclusively that this was due to the major reorganisation at Crewe. In the 23-24 and 26-27 periods Crewe painted locos red with great panache.

    Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk
     
  15. Hirn

    Hirn Member

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2015
    Messages:
    462
    Likes Received:
    295
    Gender:
    Male
    I can just con myself that the lined BR livery might be the LNWR but the smoke box number plate & shed plate wreck the illusion.
     
  16. Matt37401

    Matt37401 Nat Pres stalwart

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2014
    Messages:
    15,327
    Likes Received:
    11,664
    Occupation:
    Nosy aren’t you?
    Location:
    Nowhere
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    What smokebox and shed plate?
     
  17. Jamessquared

    Jamessquared Nat Pres stalwart

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2008
    Messages:
    26,100
    Likes Received:
    57,416
    Location:
    LBSC 215
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    I think the point being made was that if you looked at a BR loco, you could imagine it was LNWR until the smokebox number ruined that illusion, rather than the other way round.

    Personally I just avoid looking at photos of BR liveried locos as much as possible, especially the insipid green ones. :)

    Tom
     
  18. Hirn

    Hirn Member

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2015
    Messages:
    462
    Likes Received:
    295
    Gender:
    Male
    Absolutely dead right about the clean

    And about "Riddles revenge" which was twigged immediately. When a run past of alternative liveries for BR was held, late in the line up came a black engine immaculate with LNWR lining. And a voice rang out: "Riddles, You B.........."

    When the LMS was formed as the similar plum and spilt milk coach liveries of the London & North Western, the Caledonian and of course the West Coast Joint Stock had not
    worn as well under WWI conditions as Mldland Lake, Midland Red was chosen as practical for carriages. Presumably the locos all became red to match the trains behind them. ( ''Lake" on the SECR, however wore so ill that there was senior concern at Ashford, leading to a careful mixing of colours so that any carriages newly painted matched what the others had bedraggled to. The Southern after the Grouping went to green.)
     
  19. tony51

    tony51 New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2010
    Messages:
    146
    Likes Received:
    327
    Those locos are wonderful and exactly what I like about the Bluebell (from a distance, I actually have never been there and live 4,000 miles away). But on the other hand you are painting your current new build BR black like everything else when it should look like this ...

    [​IMG]
     
    Hirn, andrewshimmin, jnc and 7 others like this.
  20. 30854

    30854 Resident of Nat Pres

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2017
    Messages:
    12,172
    Likes Received:
    11,493
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Brighton&Hove
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Maybe so ..... however ..... do kindly note the cab, the most obvious target of those later modifications neccessary to meet the Southern's composite loading gauge, and (just for the record) it's often held that the Marsh 'atlantics' came through that exercise rather better than some of the butchery meted out to certain other Brighton designs.

    The Beachy Head construction pages reveal the cab to be of cussedly involved design.
     

Share This Page