Liveries!

There are some very interesting paint techniques and systems out there especially on vehicles.
70's Japanese motorbikes often had what is known as 'Candy' paint. Typically a base colour, one or more translucent candy coats and a clear top coat. I have a '73 Yamaha with this finish. It is often but not always a metallic finish. They stopped this in the late 70's mainly for cost reasons. Another good one is a pearl finish. more used on cars in the 90's.
They would give you the 'deep effect' you describe.
I have only ever sprayed acrylic and two part lacquer over vinyl graphics, that was hard enough to do.
There's more to paint than meets the eye.

 

Undercoat can also play a role; if you apply an even layer of topcoat onto an undercoat which also has an even finish and colour, you don't necessarily appreciate the extent to which the latter is contributing.

I once used black as an undercoat for an engine I was painting red, a colour which is notorious for being a poor coverer. There was a section on the rear where I'd rubbed through to some white filler, and it took eleven coats before the contrast between the black and white had completely disappeared. On the rest of the engine I think I used six coats, so on those parts the black will still be having an impact, but looking at it you wouldn't know.

P.S. Not a railway book, but for those interested I would recommend 'The Anatomy of Colour' by Patrick Batty. http://www.papersandpaints.co.uk/the-anatomy-of-colour

 

I had the Tri-ang Winston Churchill. Christmas 1964, or maybe 1963.

 

+1 for the painful hours poring over the F&B chart... been there too!

In fairness though the colours are very difficult to tell apart on a small piece but more obvious when painted on a big wall, and secondly they often look quite different in combination with others and again on a bigger space

 

A couple of questions if I may, IIRC amongst the artifacts in the collection of the former GER museum at North Woolwich there was apparently an original tin of Ultramarine Blue rescued from Stratford works.
Was this correct and if so, what happened to this tin when North Woolwich closed....???
Did it go to Mangapps or the EARM and does it still exist...???

 

The only indication as to what the LMS would have done is to look at the Leek & Manifold. The GWR may have kept it going, in the same way as the Welshpool, but perhaps they may have promoted part of it as a 'toy train' (which is how the GWR actually referred to it on a poster) and pushed it as a tourist railway. GWR standard practice appeared to be to lose non standard classes or Swindonise them asap, so i agree.

The railways could not have been nationalised in 1918 in my view, there was too much going on. The Uk had to come out of a war economy, had severe unrest, leading to riots in 1919 in many cities, that saw the authrities bring tanks onto the streets of Glasgow and navy cruisers down the Mesrey. And there was a huge pandemic - and the country was bankrupt. After both world wars, it took 3 years for them to sort the railways out. nationalisation wasn't really a policy of the libs or the Tories, so you would have needed Bonar Law as PM with a majority. But what would have happened? Probablly the same as 1948,

 

Whatever people think about this one, it does not look right to me.

 

Quite right. Those drainage gullies certainly need a good cleaning out.

 

It may NOT look right but it has gained its owner both a large income and a mass of publicity that couldn't be obtained in any other way. A lesson perhaps for Heritage lines to bear in mind once the current crisis begins to ease ?

 

Possibly - but the Harry Potter effect is somewhat unusual...

 

'Hogwarts'? Always a goody for livery debate - and it's magical!

It's not really whether it looks right, it was actually the shade of red that the HP art department decided worked best for them on film, under a variety of lighting conditions. The loco, as now at Leavesden, is on its third or fourth repaint but it has always been in the same Dulux colour. The original spec also considered gold lining but BR-style orange prevailed (my input, along with BR-style crests), as the gold would have just disappeared.

More generally and personally, I'm ambivalent about liveries. Historical accuracy is nice, provided it is accurate and appropriate (and in context) but it can be dull; corporate or consistent is also pleasing but it's ultimately down to the owner or whoever pays for the painting. The predominance of BR liveries reflects the latter, just a pre-nationalisation ones did, 40+ years ago - it's what a good few people can still remember. The 'line-up' shot, that some drool over frequently on NP, ultimately counts for very little, once the pictures have been taken.

You'll never satisfy everyone!

JS

 

So that is Dulux is it. Must remember that next time I need ti do the front door.

 

To me, it looks magnificent!
It does also show how much Stanier and Coleman improved the lines of the Swindon inheritance with their Horwich/Derby/Stoke inspired improvements...

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It was indeed Dulux - but a 'special' mix.

JS

 

And then of course there's the other extreme: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrachromacy

 

Do you not mean a 'magical' mix....???

 

Well, I have a tin of it, so it's not that magical!

 

My daughter who thinks I'm mad to like trains, is an avid HP fan and also rather talented as far as art goes (no idea how, she certainly didn't get it from me) would probably disagree with you about that.

 

Hewlett Packard? As fandom goes, that's pretty niche ...

Tom

 

I thought it was brown sauce.