Liveries!

Ten years of training...

I am only surprised that lighting up didn't consist of rubbing two sticks together while dancing naked around the shed praying to the fire god

And to think people thought Stewart's Lane were a bunch of heathens.

 

Shh

 

Do you just hit it with your 1lb Stewarts Lane hammer?

 

If it's a Great Western loco, I prefer to use the 2lb Nine Elms hammer - assuming nothing larger is available

Tom

 

Presumably 46441 has now been red far longer than it was ever black?
See also the loco generally referred to as Royal Scot!

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Royal Scot has indeed carried the LMS red livery, but I was talking about the BR variant

 

Your point is?

 

Historical accuracy didn't stop in 1968?


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I guess it depends whether you consider a particular loco to be a museum piece or still in service. If the latter, whatever livery it is painted in then becomes a historic one in years to come. Personally, I regard most of our locos as still being in service.

 

I look at them as working museum pieces. The purpose for which they were built ceased when the railways disposed of them

 

Yes it did

 

Is this the prelude to the question how many LBSCR staff does it take to drive a train?

Four, driver, fireman, and two to help the others lift the 2lb hammer.

I do recall a trip in the 1980s where someone did attempt to fix a problem by hitting it with a hammer at speed. It fell off and the train then had to reverse several miles as it was midway between loops.

What about locos that were preserved before 1968? What about locos built after 1968?

Can I just check the loco currently known numbered 46100 - what is the authenticity police position on it? I have my suspicions it has been running around with an inauthentic name and number since 1933.

 

Not sure I agree on that, Steve. They are in service, but as historical artefacts - that's why they were saved in the first place. Is an 8F designed to haul heavy goods trains still 'in service' at the head of five coaches? It's in a different service, which itself follows a historical working practice rather than modern methods. They all come together, or should do.

 

Historical working practices based on that GWR film?

 

Exactly, locomotives coaches and wagons were built with the prime purpose of moving passengers and freight, not for pleasure. A preserved railway is not a means of transport, it’s a working museum. If some want to run a linear railway based theme park then go ahead but I don’t think you will find much support from the people who provide the money and the hard graft.
The Lakeside Railway repaint of its Fairburn tanks was, I believe funded by contributions from photo charter participants. A recent charter was cancelled due to CV so the railway got a reasonable donation to help them through the hard times. How many would pay money for such things if it was still in that awful blue?

 

What about if the photo charter wanted it blue?

If financial contributions matter, then you have no problem with thomas weekends and dressing up locos to be 'Thomases'

 

So what about locos built after 1968? There is still a question mark over whether it was 6100 or 6152 that went to the USA but the truth is it was almost certainly parts from both and as the current loco contains very little from the original the question is irrelevant

 

I'm with @Steve on this - they are not just museum pieces, but also assets to be used for a purpose. As such, liveries of the current owning organisation seem entirely fair game, hence I've no issue of principle with the early period KWVR liveries with KWVR logos, and I'd frankly be pleased if more railways used their own bespoke liveries. My problem comes with the crossover of a genuine livery and something that would never have carried that livery - and not just on locomotives, either. For example, choices like the Caledonian livery on the Fairburn tanks, or blood & custard on an Mk2, which are just utterly anachronistic. A bit better, but still frankly a fudge, is the early BR blue Canadian Pacific - correct livery and locomotive, but completely wrong condition. Better, but I agree still debatable, is BR black on the L&Y tank - inauthentic to that locomotive, but with some historical validity for the type.

 

So then it doesn’t matter what colour the engine is or what it is called.

New build locomotives carry liveries that they never carried because they weren’t built when those liveries were in use.

If we get irate about a BR built loco carrying a grouping era livery because it never carried it, then what is an authentic livery for a new build loco?

Furthermore, you seem to deny that there is a generation of people who are now into their 50s for whom the first loco they may have seen may well have been the L&H Fairburns, KWVR, or steam locos on blue and grey mk1s. Those are just as authentic things from the past. Heritage has a history too.

The past doesn’t stop at the point at which you noticed how young the police were looking.

 

You miss the concept of new builds entirely. Do you think the concept of Tornado would have got off the ground if they said it would carry anything but a realistic livery for the rest of the class? Heritage does have a history, some of it best forgotten. The KWVR livery came about at a time when it was thought, incorrectly, that BR would ban the use of its logo any any preserved loco. It was plausible as BR had the ludicrous modern image fad at the time. In reality the modern image was restricted to a oil burning locos and high speed trams, they still thought it was fine for passengers to board their trains at semi derelict stations, on filthy seats and eat overpriced stale sandwiches,