If you register, you can do a lot more. And become an active part of our growing community. You'll have access to hidden forums, and enjoy the ability of replying and starting conversations.

Northern Belle: 19/9, 3/10 & 17/10/20 + 16 & 17/12/20

Rasprava u 'What's Going On' pokrenuta od pjhliners, 11. Lipanj 2020..

  1. Sam 60103

    Sam 60103 Member

    Pridružen(a):
    9. Ožujak 2019.
    Poruka:
    980
    Lajkova:
    384
    Grad:
    Kirkcaldy
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    I watched this and skipped the off train bits. Well done to @sgthompson for filming in the horrendous weather. I also thought that the Contribution from @J Shuttleworth was very good. There is a lot that myself as a purist would complain about but the majority of people watching aren't purists therefore they won't complain in the way that some on here are. Hopefully the effect is more bums on seats. One problem I did have was that they used some shots from the 19th September when the loco did the circuit the other way round which I found confusing. I would also liked to have heard shap and ais gill summits mentioned in the narration.
     
    acorb and mike1522 like this.
  2. J Shuttleworth

    J Shuttleworth Member

    Pridružen(a):
    22. Kolovoz 2009.
    Poruka:
    466
    Lajkova:
    2,473
    These programmes were commissioned by the broadcaster, in this case Channel 5, so are produced to provide the widest appeal to their mainstream target audience (and advertisers). If you want absolute continuity and commentary that doesn't spoil long tracking shots go to Youtube or buy a DVD.

    When they approached us for this one, I did have some direct input and gave them some options, which they developed in the relatively short window they had for filming. Unfortunately, the weather on the dates chosen was dire, particularly for lineside or go-pros, but that is the way it was. NP did help, in this instance, as I put them in touch with Stephen T for additional footage.

    Anyway, judging by the web responses and personal feedback, it has been well received - even if a few nit-pickers on NP found fault and will no doubt complain to the production company in the strongest possible terms.

    JS
     
    ianh, acorb, alts1985 i 13 ostalih se sviđa ovo.
  3. Big Al

    Big Al Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator

    Pridružen(a):
    30. Svibanj 2009.
    Poruka:
    22,589
    Lajkova:
    22,715
    Grad:
    1016
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    That's an interesting sign of the times that a production company is prepared to go to third parties for footage that they wouldn't otherwise have access to. An acknowledgement that you can get half decent footage from 'amateurs'.

    As for 'nit-picking'. For some people it's a matter of honour that they can spot issues with location or continuity - try looking at those who take apart cinema movies! - but to be honest, this particular programme was one of the better ones as they didn't splice in random steam images of different locos, as sometimes happens!
     
    RalphW se sviđa ovo.
  4. Gladiator 5076

    Gladiator 5076 Resident of Nat Pres

    Pridružen(a):
    2. Listopad 2015.
    Poruka:
    7,914
    Lajkova:
    6,647
    Spol:
    Muškarac
    Grad:
    Swanage
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    I would also suggest they are good for the steam railtour industry as a whole, which at the moment needs all the help it can get. If potential travellers can't afford, or there is not, say a Northern Belle from London on that route, it may attract them to try an RTC CME as an example.
     
    acorb se sviđa ovo.
  5. Johnb

    Johnb Nat Pres stalwart

    Pridružen(a):
    3. Prosinac 2014.
    Poruka:
    15,537
    Lajkova:
    18,383
    Spol:
    Muškarac
    Interesi:
    Retired, best job I've ever had
    Grad:
    Buckinghamshire
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Probably the most important aspect is that the Northern Belle, a luxury day out that few viewers will have heard of before, got a free hour long TV advert.
    Careless editing can be forgiven.
     
  6. RalphW

    RalphW Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Administrator Friend

    Pridružen(a):
    11. Rujan 2005.
    Poruka:
    36,443
    Lajkova:
    9,907
    Spol:
    Muškarac
    Interesi:
    Retired-ish, Part time rail tour steward.
    Grad:
    Northwich
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    You mean like the Jubilee heading north over Ribblehead? ;)
     
    John Merry, Bodorganboy i nige757 se sviđa ovo.
  7. Big Al

    Big Al Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator

    Pridružen(a):
    30. Svibanj 2009.
    Poruka:
    22,589
    Lajkova:
    22,715
    Grad:
    1016
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    That's my point. The public wouldn't have realised what was going on there and it was a clever bit of editing with nothing wrong at a cursory glance. And without the Ribblehead tweak there would have been no atmosphere, no rain and no @sgthompson input..
     
    Waterbuck se sviđa ovo.
  8. Enterprise

    Enterprise Part of the furniture

    Pridružen(a):
    9. Rujan 2005.
    Poruka:
    5,472
    Lajkova:
    3,302
    In the context of a programme about railways for a general audience the "errors" are not that important. Unfortunately, similar "errors" are found in many other TV programmes in which they are. The programmes which particularly concern me include those about: medicine, politics, history and social science.
     
  9. J Shuttleworth

    J Shuttleworth Member

    Pridružen(a):
    22. Kolovoz 2009.
    Poruka:
    466
    Lajkova:
    2,473
    Perhaps, in those cases, you might be confusing factual errors with editorial content........

    All errors may not be the same!
     
  10. D1002

    D1002 Resident of Nat Pres

    Pridružen(a):
    25. Travanj 2011.
    Poruka:
    9,847
    Lajkova:
    7,547
    Spol:
    Muškarac
    Grad:
    Enfield
    Watched the programme last and quite enjoyed it.
    Not too keen on the ‘Countryfile’ bits, although I guess they were included to appeal to a wider audience.
    Nice to see @sgthompson and @J Shuttleworth in the flesh.
     
    Last edited: 26. Siječanj 2021.
    sgthompson se sviđa ovo.
  11. Enterprise

    Enterprise Part of the furniture

    Pridružen(a):
    9. Rujan 2005.
    Poruka:
    5,472
    Lajkova:
    3,302
    On contemporary TV the fine line between factual errors and editorial content is at best fuzzy and too often deliberately obscured.
     
  12. iancawthorne

    iancawthorne Well-Known Member

    Pridružen(a):
    23. Kolovoz 2010.
    Poruka:
    1,789
    Lajkova:
    6,133
    Spol:
    Muškarac
    Grad:
    Brampton, Cumbria
    Are you likening @J Shuttleworth to Matt Baker?? :Wideyed:
     
  13. J Shuttleworth

    J Shuttleworth Member

    Pridružen(a):
    22. Kolovoz 2009.
    Poruka:
    466
    Lajkova:
    2,473
    I rather think my views on and from the countryside might be a little different to cotton-wool view from Countryfile, as expounded by Matt Baker and his chums!

    JS
     
  14. D1002

    D1002 Resident of Nat Pres

    Pridružen(a):
    25. Travanj 2011.
    Poruka:
    9,847
    Lajkova:
    7,547
    Spol:
    Muškarac
    Grad:
    Enfield
    One of the good things about Countryfile is Ellie Harrison:).

    867649C2-EA26-4554-BF8A-B2242D1E16EF.jpeg
     
  15. OldGit

    OldGit New Member

    Pridružen(a):
    10. Rujan 2012.
    Poruka:
    192
    Lajkova:
    191
    Spol:
    Muškarac
    Grad:
    Sutton, Surrey
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    That's the BEST thing about Countryfile !!
     
    D1002 se sviđa ovo.

Podijelite ovu stranicu