Flying Scotsman

Yea they were convinced as eventually the whole class were fitted as they went through the works. It transformed performance. Read Peter Townend’s book on Top Shed if you can get a copy

 

Looks exactly the same as brunswick green to me,and i have seen plenty of kings,castles,brits,jubillees,scots, etc in my time. Everyone in my local spotting fraternity called them windshields back in the 1950/60s including my late father who was a fireman at 15A. No need to be sarcastic, I was only passing comment!

 

Thanks, I will try to get hold of a copy. Btw, there is a picture of a naked 60063 Isinglass with a single chimney in my 55/56 CB. I am sure I saw plenty of the class at Peterborough, many without windshields, but I could not be sure about chimneys to be honest.

 

Follow link and scroll down to see article on BR Green https://www.southern-locomotives.co.uk/News/news_2014.html Extract from a article

BR locos were painted Middle Chrome Green and later Deep Bronze Green.

 

Given the timescale of the changeover to diesel traction I believe that the savings would not recoup the costs of conversion hence the process was discontinued.

 

Now was Wellingborough or Leicester ?

 

Personal opinion, I admit, but I prefer the 'Witte' type deflectors, as fitted to A3's, to the 'Wagner' type seen generally in the LMS and SR.
Pat

 

ISTR that the A3s that operated on the Waverley route never had smoke deflectors fitted. Maybe there's enough wind up there to take the smoke away. I recall seeing Harvester at Peterborough in 1962/3 without them.

 

Apart from No 2751 Humorist, equipped in the 1930s, the A3s were fitted with Kylchap double chimneys in 1958/9. Humorist was subject to several experiments in smoke lifting finishing up with full deflectors similar to Tornado. Not all of the others were fitted with Witte or trough deflectors. It was not found necessary to fit those at Carlisle Canal shed, presumably because the long cut off world needs on the Waverley Route lifted the exhaust sufficiently, some others were withdrawn before they got them. 60104 was converted in April 1959 only to bewithdrawn in November that year.
As for 60103, it was converted from an A1 ( by then reclassified A10) in 1947 when it would have been no 103 and converted to left hand drive in 1954 so to be 100% accurate it can only be in BR livery regardless of chimney. Personally I’m happy to see it as now or apple green with single exhaust as 4472 representing a typical A3 in the 1930s.

 

All of the class were converted in 1958/9

 

I refer you to post 7328 re 60074 Harvester

 

60074 was fitted with a double chimney in March 1959

 

In the 80's 4472 took a fair few tours over the S&C with load 13. We've seen a Jubilee take 13 over Ais Gill in the past 12 months. In single chimney form, 4472 has shown in the heritage era to be capable of running on the mainline. In summary, de-tuned; yes, but I don't buy the reasoning that a double chimney is necessary for her to run on the mainline.

 

But it cannot be 100% accurate can it, with all the extra gubbins required to run on the modern mainline fitted.

 

Am I right in thinking that it ran as single chimney, in LNER green, for the 30 years from when it was first preserved, until the mid 90s, when it became 60103 and started getting upgrades from Dr Marchington?

If so, thats longer than it was owned by either LNER or BR, and if it is returned to that state, it will be accurate, as thats the state its spent a large portion of its "life" as.

 

Seen her in ‘88 in Australia - ‘LNER’ apple green with no silly ears….bloody resplendent.

 

I was thinking of external appearance

 

It remains factual that some of the longest lived Pacifics on BR eastern region were single chimney machines.



The superiority of the kylchap is well known, but both A3s and Pep A2s spent the majority (or all of their careers) in single chimney format without much issues.

I’ve always known 60103 thusly, with a double chimney and deflectors, in my lifetime. Reverting to a single chimney format in LNER livery would be magnificent for the 100th anniversary. Why? Because her most iconic form isn’t in LNER as in service, but the time she spent under Pegler and McAlpine when in preservation. Red nameplates and all!

 

*cough* two tenders *cough*

Like bands with two drummers, two tenders is just better.

Simon

 

The second tender is now Bitterns. The advantage of an additional water carrier probably isn’t such an advantage these days.