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Lynton and Barnstaple - Operations and Development

Discussion in 'Narrow Gauge Railways' started by 50044 Exeter, Dec 25, 2009.

  1. RailWest

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    I am reminded of a situation in the early days of the WSR when a 'walker' came along in the 4-foot and actually persisted in going though the middle of a PW gang engaged in relaying a panel of track! They just watched in sheer disbelief :)
     
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    It won't, it seems at some point within the next couple of years part of the formation there needs to be restored and fenced but as an operational railway it won't pay for itself either, the idea is to link Wistlandpound with OSHI to increase the footfall in the pub, the trust is committed to option C, the building of killington Lane bridge also having a time limit on it and now also requiring new planning so the point is exactly where is all of this money coming from, it also seems plenty on here are ready and willing to put down alternative ideas without coming up with idea's or solution's of their own
     
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    johnofwessex Resident of Nat Pres

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    When the car was first developed it was never a given that it would be petrol with both battery electric and steam being popular in the early days
     
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    simon Resident of Nat Pres

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    There is nothing to stop anyone submitting a planning application for any parcel of land, whether they own it or not.

    Doesn't mean it will be granted, or if it is that they will be able to action it.
     
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    It doesn't need to be dealt with? Because there are no problems. The tea room at woody bay is for light refreshments, oshi is mainly for full meals. Plus both business advertise each other and have benefited as a result.
     
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    Readers might be surprised to know that the first battery-electric locomotive – the 7-tonne “Galvani” - was invented, built and demonstrated by Robert Davidson in Scotland in 1841/2! It was powered by zinc-acid batteries driving magnets which acted upon iron strips bolted onto wooden cylinders on the axles (“reluctance motors”). It was demonstrated relatively successfully (reaching 4 mph) on the new railway between Glasgow and Edinburgh (OK - that makes it an SG loco, but never mind). It was stored at Perth and later destroyed – allegedly by Luddites.
    No drawings appear to be extant - but the reluctance motor system is still used.
    Now - that's something I'd like to see a working replica of.....
     
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    Jamessquared Nat Pres stalwart

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    Given the date, I very much doubt it was the luddites - wrong period by several decades.

    It would also seem a strange target for their actions, given their primary political aim was about resisting mechanisation within the textile industry.

    Tom
     
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    Another report says it was not used as the early batteries were not rechargeable and the loco only ran at 4mph, so was impractical and stored, then destroyed, could have been destroyed for several reasons, but now unknown why?

    From the Ashover thread later battery power design did work at the Spondon power station in Derbyshire in the 1920s. The Ashover Light railway have a loco restored and running at Peak Rail. From it's facebook page,
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    If planning permission obtained and track could be laid on the land owned at Blackmoor, then perhaps a similar new small battery loco and coach could be used for short rides (as at the Lynbarn railway?), until steam locos are viable?
     
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    A question I asked before but never got an answer to.
    Given that certain lengths of track are owned, what can be done without any planning permission?
    It seems obvious that hedges can be maintained, fences replaced, undergrowth cleared.
    Ballast could be laid.
    Could track be laid and used for maintenance only?
    What exactly is the planning permission for? To allow a public service to be run?
    If so, then presumably anything short of that can be done?
    Ian
     
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    AIUI planning permission is required if you build something. It would seem that you could do all the property maintenance (hedges, weed removal, fences etc) and lay ballast too, without planning permission I would think, but I do not claim any expertise, legal or practical. Laying (building?) track might be more problematic. See:
    https://www.gov.uk/planning-permission-england-wales
     
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    A rail car would be an interesting idea. Presumably if it were to be realised we’d base it on designs from the correct era such as these?
     
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    And workers in London in the 60s will remember the vintage-looking Harrods electric delivery vans. Why were they abandoned, I wonder ?
     
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    There were problems reported when the Welsh Highland Railway was rebuilt, having been derelict/vacant since 1941. Usage makes people feel entitled - all the more reason not to allow public access to any acquired trackbed. Attitudes have changed in the last 60 years and will change/accentuate again in the next 60. Despite what the L & B Directors told the Board of Trade and their shareholders, only enough land was bought for a single track, so there isn't room for a footpath.
     
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    The advent and massive success of the supermarket I am afraid.
    Delivered milk in pints and recycled bottles gave way to the 4 pinter from a supermarket at half the price. People went for cheapness over convienience and a personal service and gradually the door step delivery of groceries, milk and dairy faded away.

    What I find intriguing is it's all almost coming full circle and back to door step deliveries via Amazon and home shopping and the return to battery vehicles.
     
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    A pub was told by a builder planning permission for new outdoor bar was not needed, but then had to put in retrospective permission expecting the worse but got permission, best to get good legal advice first.
    https://www.falmouthpacket.co.uk/news/23772870.pub-best-fish-chips-cornwall-gets-outdoor-bar/
     
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    What is so annoying about that is that it wasn't that long between the final decline of milk-float infrastructure and the rise of internet delivery stuff. We nearly had a nationwide zero-emissions delivery system.
     
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    Apart from the uncontrolled emissions from all those coal fired power stations to charge the vehicles...
     
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    Which were still smaller than the contemporary ice vehicles would have achieved
     
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