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LE movements, ECS and test runs 2023

Rasprava u 'What's Going On' pokrenuta od mike1522, 24. Prosinac 2022..

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  1. Sam 60103

    Sam 60103 Member

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    45212 back to Keighley
    https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:U91911/2023-12-28/detailed
    https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:U91912/2023-12-28/detailed
     
    Sam 60103, 26. Prosinac 2023.
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  2. frazoulaswak

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    Ex-LMS Stanier Black Five 4-6-0 No. 45212 passes through Hartford station in the fading light of 28th December 2023 while travelling from Orton Mere to its home base on the KWVR.

    EOS 5D Mark IV_231228_5816.jpg

    A Happy New Year to all,
     
    Last edited: 28. Prosinac 2023.
    frazoulaswak, 28. Prosinac 2023.
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    ragl, leander, Bluenosejohn i 12 ostalih se sviđa ovo.
  3. Bodorganboy

    Bodorganboy Member

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    It was actually travelling from the Nene Valley Railway to Keighley via Carnforth
     
    Bodorganboy, 28. Prosinac 2023.
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  4. RalphW

    RalphW Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Administrator Friend

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    A long way with no support coach. ponder.gif
     
    RalphW, 28. Prosinac 2023.
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  5. frazoulaswak

    frazoulaswak Member

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    I, and my post, stand corrected,
     
    frazoulaswak, 28. Prosinac 2023.
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  6. MellishR

    MellishR Resident of Nat Pres Friend

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    What struck me was that the route was so extremely indirect, including a long stretch of the (normally busy) WCML. Was no shorter route possible, or was there some reason to drop in at Carnforth?
     
    MellishR, 29. Prosinac 2023.
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  7. Romsey

    Romsey Part of the furniture

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    Train crew route knowledge perhaps? That is for WCRC to arrange.
    Also the Doncaster / Leeds / York triangle often seems to present timing challenges - witness the number of charters which end up on convoluted routes in that area instead of following the main lines which have high speed services.

    Cheers, Neil
     
    Romsey, 29. Prosinac 2023.
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  8. torgormaig

    torgormaig Part of the furniture Friend

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    The KWVR like their locos chimney first uphill out of Keighley. I think this is the only way that you can approach Keighley chimney first from the west. 45mph tender first running along the busy Aire Valley is a no-no these days.

    Peter
     
    torgormaig, 29. Prosinac 2023.
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  9. Rover

    Rover New Member

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    Why the need for a support coach? Only needs a driver and fireman to get the engine back home. My dad was a fireman, and he and his driver did it all themselves, including prepping the loco. No army of folk in a coach doing the job for them in those days.
     
    Rover, 29. Prosinac 2023.
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  10. jonathonag

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    And a watering column on every platform/major station? And a local steam shed nearby should anything go awry, where a fitter could be summoned in haste and usually either a replacement part or engine be provided if necessary?
     
    jonathonag, 29. Prosinac 2023.
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  11. RalphW

    RalphW Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Administrator Friend

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    Would you be happy to be on the footplate for a full turn with no chance of a loo break, a fresh drink and food? The 'army' in a support coach would probably be three people including the guard.
     
    RalphW, 29. Prosinac 2023.
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  12. Matt37401

    Matt37401 Nat Pres stalwart

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    Was there a reason for 45212’s LE Run to not use a support coach? I know when I worked with the 50 Alliance in the early days of mainline operations one was considered, it was decided there was no point as it’s primary roll would just be staff accommodation plus the faff of running around at certain locations. Was it something similar to this?
     
    Matt37401, 29. Prosinac 2023.
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  13. jonathonag

    jonathonag Well-Known Member

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    45212 went to Nene light engine in November. I believe currently, Riley's have two operational support coaches (Mk2s) for use with the 5's. One went to Southall with No. 44871 for the winter railtour programme, the other went to Wensleydale with No. 45407 to be used as the brake for the 'Polar Express' rake, doubling up as staff and stock storage for these runs.
     
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  14. neildimmer

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    plus, though correct me if i am wrong, have the KWVR/Bahamas society only got one operational support coach?
     
    neildimmer, 29. Prosinac 2023.
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  15. steamingyorkshire

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    The KWVR doesn't own a 'mainline support coach'. BLS have their own support coach for 'Bahamas'.

    44871 is joining 45407 on the 31st December and leaving the KWVR. Off Haworth Shed at 08:45am to collect the hired-in WCRC coach from Oxenhope.
     
    steamingyorkshire, 29. Prosinac 2023.
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    Steam loco suppport crews put in a huge amount of work before, after and during any mainline run and are often volunteers... without them main line runs, would be almost impossible to run.
     
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    pete12000, 30. Prosinac 2023.
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  17. Matt37401

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    Basically not enough to go round then?
    Thankyou.
     
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  18. Bodorganboy

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    Just been watching Railcam from Keighley Station.
    Move to Carnforth is 45407 at front, 45407 support, WCRC coach, 44871 support and 44871 running tender first

    45212 was in station on service train
     
    Bodorganboy, 31. Prosinac 2023.
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    Swiss Toni, 31. Prosinac 2023.
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    torgormaig Part of the furniture Friend

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    Bit of a challenge to get all three 5s together in one picture at Keighley this afternoon - this is the best that I could do IMG_0423a copy.jpg

    Peter
     
    torgormaig, 31. Prosinac 2023.
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    charterboy, agalpin, mgl i 34 ostalih se sviđa ovo.
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