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Urie/Maunsell N15 King Arthur Class 4-6-0

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  1. neildimmer

    neildimmer Resident of Nat Pres

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    I have added a lot of new photos of Urie N15 later King Arthur Class locomotives

    The LSWR N15 class was a British 2–cylinder 4-6-0 express passenger steam locomotive designed by Robert Urie. The class has a complex build history spanning three sub-classes and ten years of construction from 1918 to 1927. The first batch of the class was constructed for the London and South Western Railway (LSWR), where they hauled heavy express passenger trains to the south coast ports and further west to Exeter. After the Lord Nelsons, they were the second biggest 4-6-0 passenger locomotives on the Southern Railway. They could reach speeds of up to 90 mph

    Following the grouping of railway companies in 1923, the LSWR became part of the Southern Railway (SR) and its publicity department gave the N15 locomotives names associated with Arthurian legend; the class became known as King Arthurs. The chief mechanical engineer (CME) of the newly formed company, Richard Maunsell, modified the Urie locomotives in the light of operational experience and increased the class strength to 74 locomotives. Maunsell and his Chief Draughtsman James Clayton incorporated several improvements, notably to the steam circuit and valve gear.

    The new locomotives were built over several batches at Eastleigh Works and Glasgow, leading to the nicknames of "Eastleigh Arthurs", "Scotch Arthurs" and Scotchmen in service. The class was subjected to smoke deflection experiments in 1926, becoming the first British class of steam locomotive to be fitted with smoke deflectors. Maunsell's successor, Oliver Bulleid, attempted to improve performance by altering exhaust arrangements. The locomotives continued operating with British Railways (BR) until the end of 1962.

    This first collection features the Urie designed King Arthurs 736-755 (built 1918-1923) in the LWSR & S.R era

    New LSWR era photos start here with
    738 later named King Pellinore LSWR livery unknown location
    https://tinyurl.com/2w6m3hpa
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    748 later named Vivian Waterloo station LSWR livery
    https://tinyurl.com/2dfakn69

    New S.R. era photos start here with
    736 Excalibur unknown location
    https://tinyurl.com/yfs69k2y
    to
    755 The Red Knight unknown location
    https://tinyurl.com/kh8zn2z5

    Neil
     
  2. Dunfanaghy Road

    Dunfanaghy Road Well-Known Member

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    I am sure that I read somewhere that Mr. Maunsell, when told by the PR people of the plan to name the N15 class, replied 'Call them what you like, they won't go any faster!'
    Pat
     
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    I'll have a go at some of the locations:
    18/54 - 737 Eastleigh Works
    20/54 - 737 Eastleigh Loco.
    21/54 - 740 Sarum Loco.
    22/54 - 745 Nine Elms Loco. (old coal stage roof in background)
    27/54 - 749 Eastleigh loco.
    30/54 - 737 Nine Elms Loco.
    35/54 - 740 Nine Elms Loco.
    36/54 - 738 Nine Elms Loco.
    37/54 - 745 Eastleigh Works (where the official photos were shot - marshalling yard in background)
    41/54 - 736 Nine Elms Loco.
    43/54 - 741 Nine Elms Loco.
    46/54 - 745 Nine Elms Loco.
    50/54 - 754 Eastleigh Loco.
    HTH
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    Hi Neil,

    I agree with Pat for the locations he has identified.
    A few more
    5/54 Bournemouth
    6/54 possibly Crewkerne?
    25/54 Possibly Clapham Cutting? 4 tracks, 3rd rail and a deep cutting side.
    31/54 Bournemouth
    34/54 possibly Crewkerne?
    38/54 Exeter Queen Street
    44/54 Beaulieu Road, the background isn't right for the climb from Lymington Jn to Sway
    49/54 Eastleigh Shed

    Cheers, Neil
     
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    neildimmer Resident of Nat Pres

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    Thanks Pat & Neil, i can see a lot of help from you both as i have over 800 new S.R. photos to add with no locations

    Neil
     
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    As the Drummond G14 and P14 4-6-0s were rebuilt to the N15 specification at Eastleigh, a lack of production capacity due to repair and overhaul meant that Maunsell ordered a further batch of 20 locomotives from the North British Locomotive Company in 1924. The company had under-quoted to gain the contract, which meant that production of the batch was rushed. The necessity to maintain an intensive timetable on the Southern Railway's Western section prompted an increase of the order to 30 locomotives (Nos. E763–E792). Their construction in Glasgow would gain them the "Scotch Arthurs" nickname in service. They were all delivered to the Southern Railway by October 1925, and featured the front-end refinements used on the Drummond rebuilds.
    This collection features the Maunsell developed N15 The Scotch Arthurs 763-792 (1925) in the S.R. era
    including these photos of the now preserved 777 Sir Lamiel
    777 Sir Lamiel Southampton
    https://railway-photography.smugmug...g-Arthur-Class/-The-Scotch-Arthurs-/i-zswk2gq
    777 Sir Lamiel unknown locations
    https://railway-photography.smugmug...g-Arthur-Class/-The-Scotch-Arthurs-/i-NhtXc4H
    https://railway-photography.smugmug...g-Arthur-Class/-The-Scotch-Arthurs-/i-ftbmzQK

    783 Sir Gillemere with smoke box draughting addition
    https://railway-photography.smugmug...g-Arthur-Class/-The-Scotch-Arthurs-/i-c5RDF4N

    772 Sir Percivale Waterloo station fitted with French style smoke deflectors
    https://railway-photography.smugmug...g-Arthur-Class/-The-Scotch-Arthurs-/i-VHBJFh4

    764 Sir Gawain unknown dock location
    https://railway-photography.smugmug...g-Arthur-Class/-The-Scotch-Arthurs-/i-xW4PLC5

    Full collection of 51 new photos starts here with
    763 Sir Bors de Ganis unknown location
    https://railway-photography.smugmug...g-Arthur-Class/-The-Scotch-Arthurs-/i-ffbRjb9

    Neil
    https://railway-photography.smugmug...g-Arthur-Class/-The-Scotch-Arthurs-/i-zswk2gq
     
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    2/93 772 Surbiton
    22/93 777 Wimbledon C box - Volunteer Siding in foreground.
    24/93 778 Stewarts Lane
    46/93 764 Doer Marine?
    53/93 771 Dover Marine
    67/93 777 Mount Pleasant LC, Southampton
    77/93 784 St Johns Cutting, Woking
    82/93 785 CLapham Jn with LBSCR electrification gantries decomissioned but not demolished
    86/93 788 A3 bridge between Raynes Park and New Malden?
    90/93 791 Clapham Cutting section splitting SB.

    Some more of locos on a dockside are puzzling with hills in the background. Not Southampton or Newhaven. Perhaps Dover but I'm not certain.

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    Here goes for a few more.

    Firstly, there are a goodly number of shots taken at Nine Elms Loco., the roof (or its remains) of the coal stage is pretty distinctive:
    13/93; 16/93; 34/93; 44/93; 62/93; 63/93; 66/93; 68/93; 69/93; 76/93; 87/93 & 88/93.

    Also:
    1/93 Bournemouth Loco.?;
    49/93 Sarum Loco. (GW shed in background)?;
    64/93 Clapham Jct.;
    81/93 Esher.

    21/93 Looks like a LSW type turntable, and a Stephenson Clarke Loco Coal wagon behind. No idea where, though.

    HTH
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    Thanks Pat, captions updated

    Neil
     
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    Thanks Neil, captions updated

    Neil
     
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    hi Neil
    32/65 451 Clapham Yard viewed from Down Through platform
    51/65 796 |Possibly Victoria Central side judging by LB&SCR overhead electrification
    53/65 798 Brighton


    Cheers, Neil
     
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    Thanks Neil
     

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