76077

Or No85 when it is overhauled.

 

As was the way in that era, the modification was carried out to enable comparative trials to be held between the conventional and modified (compound) locos, all else being equal. The fact that the modification wasn't subsequently widely adopted by Adams and the modified loco was converted back to simple form at its next overhaul probably tells you all you need to know about the efficacy of the modification.

I can't help thinking that a lot of experiments in compounding of railway locomotives in the nineteenth century were largely exercises in designers trying to see if it was thermodynamically possible to pull yourself up by your own bootstraps; and finding to their surprise that it wasn't.

Tom

 

In the nineteenth century compounds were very unsecure starters,but mr Golsdorf solved that around 1898 and the Wienna surburban railway made 13000000 unspectacular compound 2-6-2 starts per year.
In the tweentieeth century first half nobody measured and compared steam locomotives based on accurate tests and nobody cared in second half.
UK was a little special as neither Managements or CMEs had any interest in competitions.
The closest was Prof Nordman during WW2 comparing a Norwegian constructed (1936) four cylinder compound to the best and newest german simple two and threecylinders.
There was a 18% difference to three cylinder 03pacifics and 12 I think t0 two cylindered.
He admitted having backed the wrong horse for high power ,fast steam locomotives but his excuses sound quer.
The story had a crazy end.
After the war norwegians scrapped these wonder machines faster than the very basic german war locomotives baureihe 52 made with lousy materials,no feed water preheating etc.
Imported coal from England,Poland and Germany was cheaper afterWW2 and speeds slower.
A 10% more efficiency and/or lower mass (and price) asymetric compound with first order mass balance (Like Bulleids experimental School) only needed a single throw inside crank and could have made less harsh UK locomotives after 1954 but for the election.

 

It could also start with a wreck of a GWR fourcylinder,a threecylinder or a two cylinder stalled project.
It need a single inside cylinder and a suitable single throw crankshaft.
My dream is to finish and test an almost complete modified LNWR George V or Prince of Wales against a Midland Compound over Shap and S&C

 

Are you going to fund it then?

Railways and loco owning groups aren't exactly swimming in cash at the moment, so starting on an unproven flight of fancy is probably quite low on the priority list.

Witness the slowing progress on the P2......

 

If I had money I would not waste other peoples valuable time here.
But enjoy dreaming being CME somewhere with narrow loading gauge.

 

Getting back to 76077, the boiler was safely picked up yesterday and is now tucked away inside at leaky finders.
We also had our agm today and it was interesting to find out that the mogul boiler is basically the ivatt class 4 boiler as on 43106. Boiler no. 1052 was originally built at Doncaster in 1953 and fitted to 76007. In 1958 it was fitted to 76012 and finally in 1964 to 76077.
There were 122 boilers built for 115 locos, Crewe building the last 2 spare boilers in 1960 which is surprisingly late.
Going by the engine record cards we reckon the fact that it was an early boiler and then a jan 1968 withdrawal, it was probably one of the longest serving class 4 boilers, with some 520,000 miles - nearly double what 76077 managed (approx 250,000 in 11 years). Work starts next week with tube plate and front barrel section removal. Now the big bills start rolling in! We have nearly £80k in the boiler fund with pledges to add significantly to this but we still need to keep pushing. if we match this years funding next year, the boiler is projected for completion by the end of 2025.
Photo credits Ian crowder and leaky finders ltd.

 

In the tweentieeth century first half nobody measured and compared steam locomotives based on accurate tests and nobody cared in second half. Not quite the case of course.

 

First update of 2025. The big news is on the boiler front, both good and not not so good…. We’ve had a clean bill of health on the copper box with only minimal localised welding needed. The front tube plate is out and many of the rivets holding the front barrel section have been removed ready for it to come out. Many of the foundation rivets have also been removed. That’s all the good news. The not so good news is that the NDT exam showed that we have some laminations in the boiler plate, included from the time the steel was rolled in 1952. This is something that modern examinations have shown out in quite a few post war boilers. After discussions with the boiler inspector a plan of work has been agreed and so the outer sides and throat plate will now be replaced. The stay heads on the inner firebox have already been ground flush for drilling. We’re still awaiting an updated price but with more than £80k in the boiler fund we can make a good start. In other other news the working parties at Toddington have seen the regulator assy pulled from storage as well as the hopper ashpan operating assy also being worked on. The new cab windows are being completed whilst at LMS Loughborough the cab has been fully riveted and a coat of paint applied. If you want to see the final unrestored std 4 mogul returned to steam please now is the time to think about donating or becoming a shareholder. Photos of the boiler courtesy of Rory Edwards leaky finders.

 

Exciting news ! With offer of free transport from RSS (railway support services) we will be moving the chassis from its restoration base at LMS Loughborough to attend the GWSR’s Cotswold festival of steam galls which takes place 24th - 26th may. It will be on display along with our stand in the locomotive shed for the duration of the event where you will be able to see the fantastic progress so far. Additionally we hope to have it on display on Saturday 7th June before it returns to Loughborough. We’ve had a good couple of months and we’ve made some good progress. The boiler overhaul is well underway but with an increased scope of work now being undertaken, our current funds set aside for the boiler need increasing. Hope to see as many of you there as possible, the event is shaping up to be a belter, the last major guest announcement is tomorrow, so that at least 9 std gauge, the one narrow gauge loco plus 20 traction engines (miniatures and full size) in use each day. Go and see the Gwsr website for details. In the meantime here are a couple of items currently in work.

 

Boiler update video, nice to see Chris Irving a real face from the past for me!

 

It will be interesting to see if problems are encountered in the copper firebox rebuilding, as the NYMR was found with 75029, where they are finding they can't weld the new copper to the old. I'm left wondering, though, if there were batch to batch variations between the cooper plate supplied to different works76077's boiler was built at Darlington, and 75029's at Swindon, I think.

 

This does rather forcefully demonstrate the need for a very thorough, intrusive inspection BEFORE launching into a project. Always best to sort the boiler out first.

Had they know it was this bad, would the job have been started?

 

You could say this about a lot of projects.

Who hasn't started a two hour DIY job on their car and not still been going at it 5 hours later...

 

I suspect 'yes'.

I don't think the 'Toddington Standard' was formed because the loco had a boiler thought to be good. It was started to rescue a part restored loco that had been sitting on wagons on the end of a siding for years. I saw it from the PWay and thought - what a great shame to see it slowly rusting away. When the rescue group was formed, I signed up immediately. Put my bit of money where my mouth was, as it were.

I wonder if any other groups have this hidden defect of rolling mill inclusions, without knowing it?

What I saw, and why I contributed:


As you may know, the group has found a sponsor who offer matched funding for up to £75.000. That will double your contribution if you help, and pay for the inclusions issue. Do consider it.
The loco is currently visiting the GWSR and can be seen there during the gala this weekend. I thought the cab looked fantastic !

 

It was great to see 76077 in close up yesterday and marvel at the significant progress made since I last saw this one at Toddington. Well done to all involved so far and good luck with the necessary fundraising for the boiler repairs. I noticed coupling rod from 76080 scrapped at Barry in 1973

 

Not sure about using cable ties in place of split pins. Is this a new engineering standard! ( Just for the sake of clarity for those with no sense of humour, this is a light-hearted comment)

Thanks for the photos , it saves a trip to Toddington. What a fine job. Now, about the boiler....

 

I remember visiting the GWSR regularly and seeing 76077 in rusty kit form. Yesterday was the first time that I saw it back at Toddington after some hard work and magic had been performed. I too have put some money into this project now. It's looking great already!

 

Thanks for all your nice comments. We worked hard in the lead up to the gala to show how far we’ve come and try and attract new supporters to help finish the job. Boiler work continues well at leaky finders and the copper tube plate and foundation ring been removed for remedial attention. The copper for the side sheets has been ordered whilst the throat plate, front tube plate and front barrel ring are either on site or due shortly. Replacing the inner copper side sheets up to 3’ was really a no brainier as it wasn’t vastly more costly than repairing the old sheets.
We now really need to maintain the money coming in to allow work to continue at the current pace.
All money coming in currently is being match funded by one of our very generous supporters- upto £75,000, so now is a great time to help out where you can.
There will hopefully will be another chance to see the locomotive publicly on Saturday june 8th. Plans are still being finalised so I will keep you all posted. Boiler photos are all copyright Rory Edwards/leaky finders.

 

Thank you, interesting. I noticed the references to copper stays. I thought all Standards had monel stays. Perhaps some were built with copper or this boiler had them changed to copper during its life? Perhaps @std tank would know?