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Discussion in 'What's Going On' started by 2857Harry, Sep 7, 2024.

  1. Gladiator 5076

    Gladiator 5076 Resident of Nat Pres

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    DCE not looking good for steam I fear. Only 3 days where the forecast shows light showers, no other rain, and one of those is the day before the tour, by which time NR will have decided.
     
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    jsm8b Part of the furniture

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    The 13th of the month has a reputation for being unlucky falling on a Friday, but Sunday ?

    On the hottest weekend of the year so far 45212 leaves Chester for Holyhead with the RTC North Wales Coast Express from Liverpool. Hoping for some exhaust from a cold engine having just left the cool air of the tunnels, it was just too warm and the Class 47 on the rear clearly won the exhaust competition.

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    As the trip unfolded arrival at Llandudno Jct was late seemingly held up by the preceding service train, and progress west to Holyhead was then an hour behind schedule.
    Mid afternoon and the turning move to Valley was shown cancelled on RTT.
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    Eventually the train left Holyhead with 45212 running tender first some 98 minutes late with arrival back at lime Street 130 minutes behind schedule.
    Unique enough for the sort of image I would rarely bother with.

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    Amazingly the forum had no chatter at all about the day in North Wales.
    Was the triangle at Valley put out of action by the heat I wonder ?
     
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    5944 Resident of Nat Pres

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    Points failure according to wnxxforum.co.uk, but it doesn't state where it was though.
     
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  4. RalphW

    RalphW Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Administrator Friend

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    Since RTT shows the movements to the triangle cancelled, likely at the triangle, not getting much use doesn't help.
     
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    Thanks for the info about the return journey, saw on RTT it hadnt restarted so headed for home (it was also a day out at the seaside with the wife!). Saw it at Abergele on the outward run (at 28C that really is heat haze on the first shot) and passing Conwy Castle. Outward delays appeared to be down to a late running service train - and it's only an hourly service on a Sunday.
     

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    free2grice Part of the furniture Friend

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    Network Rail must have been aware that the triangle was to be used at the weekend. Why didn't they test their systems prior to it's use instead of waiting for sod's law to takeover? Rant over. [BJ]
     
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    RalphW Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Administrator Friend

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    You know perfectly well that that's too logical and obvious. ;)
     
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    As far as I understand it was a heat related issue with the ground frame.
     
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    And failures can happen at any time. Southern end of the ECML is in disarray today after a points failure at Stevenage. Took NR about 6 hours to effect a temporary solution, and that's on a mainline near London, not some tiny, barely used outpost that's closer to Ireland than England.
     
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    Possibly to save time, as train was running late. Running up to Valley, turning, and running back to hook up, must take at least an hour.
     
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    Is that a guess because in fact there's not a lot in it both around 58 miles. :)
     
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    Someone on board said the points failure was at Holyhead not at the Triangle.
     
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    Is it NR's responsibility to check the triangle at RAF Valley or RAF staff?
    Possibly NR may have indeed checked their equipment on the main line connection but do not have authority to enter the RAF site perhaps?
     
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    Valley triangle has nothing to do with the RAF Valley a few miles further down, its at transfer sidings for Wylfa nuclear power station (was the triangle specifically put in for turning steam IIRC?).
     
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    Thanks for the clarification on the triangle's location.
     
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    The extra legs of the triangle were added in 1989 for turning the steam locos operating the North Wales Coast and Ynys Mon Expresses. Prior to that it was just a siding for transferring Nuclear flasks from Rail to Road and vice versa
     
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    The customer is shown as "Nuclear Electric" on NR planning systems and down stream on open Access public systems like Real Time Trains.
    Cheers, Neil
     

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