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Discussion in 'What's Going On' started by 2857Harry, Sep 7, 2024.

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  1. Alex Productions

    Alex Productions New Member

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    I can only assume so as next year it'll be no better. If Eddystone is then working for them that's all they have, alongside Clan Line for the occasional trip, since 45212 goes out of ticket this year and the other two Fives will be needed in Scotland.

    They will need to either cut back, do more diesel hauled tours, or attempt to force WCR to air brake some more of it's fleet!
     
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    Good luck with forcing West Coast to do anything, I would expect, that going on what Mr Smith has said about air braking, and CDL, it's very unlikely to happen
     
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    What has he actually said about those things (as distinct from what people have deduced)?
     
    MellishR, Jul 27, 2025 at 9:20 PM
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    Well Mr Smith will have to do something about this, either fitting CDL to his MK 1's or air braking more locos or he won't have a business left to run the way things are going!
     
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    It did sound right when it was part owned by Ian Riley.

    Sent from my XQ-BT52 using Tapatalk
     
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    I think that is overstating it. Part of his business is outside the charter market. Out of the Northern Belle, the Jacobite and the rest of the charter business we can probably guess where the money is. It is a crying shame what has happened, and not least for the supply chain. By the way, Riley's turned around one of the other Black Fives, 45407 I think, over a winter, so it's quite possible 45212 will be back next season.
     
    30567, Jul 27, 2025 at 10:00 PM
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    Fair enough.

    You bring up a good point about Riley, still impressed by how quick 45407 was overhauled. Hopefully then 45212 could be back quickly to ease the increased work load.
     
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    Do we know when the KWVR - 45212 - Riley partnership is due for renewal, or if an extension has already been agreed?

    Alternatively, who knows how far off we are from No. 45163 gracing the metals!
     
    jonathonag, Jul 27, 2025 at 10:29 PM
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    West Coast do a lot more than run steam tours, they could survive on a reduced basis
     
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    I’ve heard that 5212 has failed at Plymouth, not confirmed though
     
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    Yes removed on the outbound leg. The info I received said it was a bigger failure than before. Not sure what the plans are to fix the loco.
     
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    45212 being withdrawn end of September for overhaul
     
    neildimmer, Jul 27, 2025 at 11:47 PM
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    If the failure this time round, is more serious, then it might make sence to withdraw the loco now, and start the overhaul sooner, assuming That Riley's got space, and more important, he isn't already up to his eyebrows in contract work, and just can't fit it in right now,
     
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    The original agreement with Rileys for 45212 was 10 years from 2012. This must have been renewed since.
     
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    Most of RTCs profit comes from their multi-day holidays in Europe. UK day trips represent just a fraction of their business.
     
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    The engine has one , possibly two boxes which are being problematic . as yet the cause hasn't been ascertained despite a lot of investigation , but temperature probes are being used to monitor the what is happening which may hopefully catch a heating axlebox early . What happens next will be a decision Ian and his engineering team will take and I'm sure any agreement with the KWVR is well in hand and he will have a programmed workshop slot ready for the engine
     
    Sidmouth, Jul 28, 2025 at 10:49 AM
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    David as is his perogative has said very little directly to the anyone bar the ORR in applying for derogation to continue using Mk1's . As that didn't yield a positive outcome the CDL fitted air con set from Riviera was bought and reliance placed on Ian's 5's along with 34067 and more recently 60163
     
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    And now with Ian's 5's the soul remaining steam locos in his fleet... What would Mr Smith do without his connections with Ian.

    Do we know if the 8F is coming back Air Braked? I swear there was a picture of it at Carnforth with Tornado recently, is it's overhaul complete?
     
    Alex Productions, Jul 28, 2025 at 11:09 AM
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    I understand it's a low loader job.
     
    5944, Jul 28, 2025 at 1:38 PM
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