82045 The way ahead?

In the last few years of steam, some 82xxxs were based at Nine Elms. I suspect that is the reason for the lamp irons. Someone better informed may well correct me!

 

The lamp irons on the front platform and the top of the smokebox door on 82045 are to the design fitted to Standards allocated to the Southern Region. So, if you are doing a job, you do it all correctly.

 

All she wants is an SR shedplate to go with those SR lamp irons! If she were to be fitted with WR lamp irons at some point, I'd gladly let her carry my replica 82E shedplate .

 

From the front page of the 82045 Fund's website...

The 82XXX class were the only BR Standard tank locomotives to carry more than one livery. Although all of them were originally turned out in lined black, those examples that worked on the Western Region were repainted in green after overhaul. As 82045 was destined for the WR had it been built as planned in 1956, it was decided that the loco when finished should appear in the attractive Swindon-inspired livery of dark green, lined out in orange and black.

So how do SR-designed lamp irons fit in with that scenario?

 

I have had some correspondence from one of the 82045 volunteers explaining the volunteer team put in extra shifts to get 82045 ready for The Great Gathering at Derby. Hat tip to them all. Well done.

The Lamp Irons and the Shed plate were explained by std tank in an earlier post. They are easily removed, and almost certainly will be, during 82045s working life.

 

Green liveried 82005, 82006, 82020, 82021 and 82033 were all allocated to70A Nine Elms for part of their life. Other green liveried Std 3 2-6-2 tanks were allocated to 72A Exmouth Junction at some time.

 

Fair enough, but 82005, 82006, 82020, 82021 and 82033 only went to the SR in May 1965, and all bar 82021 were withdrawn in September 1965. The point I'm making is that the website suggests we're re-creating 82045 as it would have been built for the WR in 1956 if the order had gone ahead, rather than if it had spent a few months in the SR after the end of steam in the WR. If so, it just seems odd to use SR lamp irons , but I'm not losing any sleep over it!

 

If 82045 is to be "as it would have been built for the WR in 1956" then it would surely be turned out in lined black - Swindon only painted them green at a later date.

At Grosmont we have 75029 which still has its WR lamp irons across the buffer beam - however they had been turned through 90 degrees when it left the WR so that they now take non WR lamps.

Peter

 

From memory 82xxx were at Nine Elms till the end of steam. It seems odd that none went to Woodham's. At 7.30pm every weekday one used to arrive at Walton-on-Thames to collect the postal vans and return to Waterloo(?).

 

If criticism of the fitting of SR lamp irons is the worst fault anyone can find, then:
a) all must be right in the heritage railway world;
b) shows what a cracking job the 82045 guys are doing!
Pat

 

Indeed - she does look splendid!

 

From memory 82xxx were at Nine Elms till the end of steam. It seems odd that none went to Woodhams……

Whilst Woodhams did not buy any of the final end of Southern steam locos it may be that an earlier withdrawal 82010 might have been the one that got away.

About ten years ago I bought a number of loco consignment labels off locos en route to South Wales for scrapping … 31868, 34103 and 82010. On the back of 82010 it says it was bound for Woodhams Barry. Maybe it was a mistake, maybe it shouldn’t have been removed. But at least now the wrong has been righted and we have the splendid 82045!

 

Blimey - do you still have them?

 

82010 was withdrawn from 70A Nine Elms in April 1965 and scrapped at Birds Morriston Swansea in October 1965. At least someone noticed the label on 71000 whilst it was at the scrapyard in Newport.
Going back to the lamp brackets, I notice that 82010 to 82019 were allocated to the Southern Region from new. They would, therefore, have had S.R. lamp brackets from new.

 

75014 was also with 71000 at Cashmore's.

 

You could always go for the undecided look as on some WR WDs.

 

Is that only on the top bracket?
Under BR codes that would seem to have it hoping to work ordinary passenger trains, which seems odd. Or were there lamps that worked both ways on the lower brackets?

 

Handy for all the inter-regional named expresses that the WDs worked

 

Many of the Swindon-built 8Fs running on the WR had dual GWR and BR lamp irons, except for the one on the top of the smokebox door which was often the BR pattern.

 

I do indeed - I will seek out someone on the Standard 3MT stand at Derby and maybe I can get a contact and work up a short magazine story for them.