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LSL - The Chairman's train: 16/04/25 on, plus 10/10/25

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  1. staffordian

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    You couldn't blame him :D

    I read elsewhere he slummed it up to Carlisle behind a diesel, presumably arriving a little later than planned.
     
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    Am I right in thinking that without assistance from Mr Smith, The Duke can't be turned, and will have to proceed tender first to Crewe?

    Edited to add..

    Just seen on the 71000 thread that West Coast did indeed help them with the repair and access to the turntable. Really good to hear!
     
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    It's what's unique...a beautifully restored steam locomotive in distress..it binds every steam devotee together...
     
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    When talking about West Coast it's always worth distinguishing between:
    - the people who work 'at the coal face' so to speak and at a drop of a spanner would help out if any loco was in trouble and...
    - some others in the company including, it seems, the owner, who may have a different view.
     
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    Well I don't know of the "arrangement"... commercial or simply lending a hand without charge. Are you privy to the arrangement ? If so please enlighten us.
     
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    Who said there was an arrangement? Whilst I don't carry a flag for West Coast what I do know is that generally the people who you come up against in day to day matters are really quite obliging and all this chatter about what 10A might or might not do (and by implication, whether that comes with a price ticket) is just that - i.e. chatter. Maybe help was offered...at a price. Maybe help was just asked for and given freely.
     
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    I’d also distinguish between a person whose company has kept mainline steam running for 30+ years in a form and at a price near to what BR used to do and a person who travels around in a private train and whose company runs expensive day trips for the well heeled.
     
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    That begs a range of questions that go way beyond the scope of this thread, and which risk distracting from the excellent cooperation in evidence for 71000.
     
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    Hmm. An awful lot of generalisations there? Whilst I would not minimise WCRC's massive contribution to mainline steam, they have surely lost their way recently with the CDL/ORR/Mark 1 farce and what does "at a price near to what BR used to do" mean?

    Many won't much like the LSL owner's politics but his massive contribution to the restoration of multiple iconic locomotives, a superb rake of Mark 1's plus abundant facilities at Crewe surely can't be disputed. Plus their Intercity brand and (indirectly) the SRPS certainly cater for the non well heeled. And on a more light hearted note, how many of us, if we had his funds, would refuse a trip on a private train?:)
     
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    I am not sure that is correct. The valves (and outer end of the tappets) are outside the gear box (fore and aft of it), and such lubrication as they have is from condensed steam.
     
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    so I'm pleased that matters have been resolved and despite my cynicism really pleased to see the movement helping each other out . Off to consume a small portion of humble pie !
     
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    The valves certainly are outside - surely they are in the equivalent of the steam chest? But the tappet/valve spindles and their guides must be in wall of the cam box, and so get lubricated?
    Looks like I’ll have to go to my library after all ……

    Edit : I take you point. The cam followers are in the cam box, but they actuate the valve stems in the open below. I can’t see any lubrication points on the steam chest, so maybe it relies on atomised oil in the steam?
     
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    Couple of pages from Lake & Reidinger attached. You probably know all this but the cam box is modular and sits on top of the cylinder block which has a flat top surface. The steam and exhaust passages are cast into the block.
     

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    Apologies for starting the poppet discussion. I was merely musing on the 'fact' that the DoG problem seemed not to be a lubrication one as such that has beset one or two of the main line fleet in the past and recently.

    I share everyone's hope that it's just a fettling problem and that DoG has many successful years ahead. It is a fine loco with distinct characteristics.
     
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    no need to apologise , think of it as a Nat pres mutual improvement discussion . I was volunteering yesterday and the cause was explained . in the nicest sense I couldn't do such explanation justice and my retelling may not properly retell it so apologies for not trying here
     
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    The Chairman’s Train rolls in to York this morning.
     

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    I agree. Comparable with a short break on the Costa del Sol or a city break in a European capital. Or a first class advance return from Leeds to London on a peak train!

    On the one train in their 2026 portfolio which is somewhat affordable and accessible to me ( Sheffield to Carlisle Statesman) standard class is sold out already! Can't be many seats at the entry price.
     
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