North Yorkshire Moors Railway General Discussion

Lots of wet looking passengers waiting for the delayed 1115 arrival.

 

What is it about the FS that's causing so much late running? From what I've seen they are losing a lot of time going back to the shed between services at the Grosmont end but I've no idea why they are having to do that. I'm guessing there are extra checks being required between services on the engine but that is a wild guess. But even the first services always seem late back from Pickering. I saw a suggestion she'd been priming on the uphill towards Goathland causing the driver to have to reopen the cocks, but not anything to believe that's causing slower running, particularly as there is a banker on at that point.

Is it just not enough time built at each end? Or have they got issues somewhere with it?

The 11:40 today actually departed at 12:24. I dread to think how late the last one will be.

 

Could be for water as I have a feeling there is a problem with the parachute tank. Having said that I would have thought a full tender would last most of the day.

 

On a twenty mile line with gradients as steep as theirs? I wouldn’t try to do a whole day without topping up. The loco will use a lot of water given the terrain and the speed (being so low). A round trip is as much as I’d risk. An old driver once said to me that it was never a good idea to pass a working water crane as you never knew when you might need that top up. A bit over kill on heritage lines as a rule, but honestly you don’t need much to go wrong to start wishing you’d taken water when you could.

 

I’d normally reckon on 2500 gallons for a round trip with 8 coaches. It’s going to vary slightly depending on loco, condition and driver but it’s a reasonable estimate. Getting two trips in would be a risky decision with a 5000 gallon tender. When running late I have done 1.5 trips in the past with 7 coaches and 4000 gallon tenders to catch up time. Usually slightly less than 500 gallons left. Platform 2’s parachute tank only holds 2000 gallons so it doesn’t fully refill the tender bits usually enough for operational needs.

 

That’s what I would expect. Personally I would have been a little nervy about the 500 gallons left, but to be fair on my railway there’s no excuse for running it that close, as there is water everywhere except Four Marks, which was why the day that the Alton water crane failed on me when I had the Ivatt (which can do a round trip but not much more) it wasnt a major worry as I had topped up elsewhere earlier when I had time to spare.

 

Thanks for all the answers everyone. I was just surprised that the FS needed to go back to the MPD after every round trip when I don't see the regular Whitby engines having to do the same. But I guess they are topping up at other water points.

 

Would the return to MPD be to comply with Water Treatment requirements by FS?

 

Last day today. One public service from Grosmont this afternoon to Pickering

 

I was also told that 80136 had been withdrawn, with leaking flues and tubes. A small group were immediately asked to prepare it for going onto the backfield sidings. I thought it was due for withdrawal before the new season in 2026 any way.

 

I've been accused of being very pessimistic about the NYMR Management, but with this event event they have proved themselves to be dead right about the difficulty of organising large scale events - they have proved conclusively that they could organise a p***-up in a brewery, even when it's handed to them on a plate!

 

You'd think that with this one being NYMR owned, unless they are going to start work on it straight away, it would be put undercover with 76079. Unless of course something else is much closer to completion than I think and there is a slot about to open up. Though I think there is an argument that there are too many different engines under overhaul at the minute, spreading the available resource a bit thin. I think I counted six at Grosmont when I was last there.

 

Could be as there's no water treatment at Grosmont parachute tank only the shed.

 

What were the 6 that you counted? - I can think of four that are likely to be of use in service 30825, 75029, 80135 and 34027. Of these, Only 30825 has a reasonable chance of running next year. I think. If 80135's boiler gets finished early next year, perhaps it too might get speedily reassembled, but of the remaining two even 2027 currently looks rather optimistic. Next year , the fleet looks like being 45428, 44806, 91234, 30926, 63395, 2258 as the "main" engines, with 65894 and 29 supplementing them at quieter times. I'd be willing to bet that 92134 or 45428 will not survive the season (92134 was "iffy" in 2025 and 45428 is coming up for overhaul) so 30825 will probably be a welcome replacement.

When a slot does arrive, I'd expect 3672 to be the next in line as it is due to join the oil-fired ranks, hopefully in time to replace 2258 when that is due for overhaul.

 

"The 1555 Public service will not run today due to operational requirements"

 

34027? Don't you mean 34101?

 

Yes, not quite straight in the head today - but all the rebuilt Bulleids look much the same (and there's lots of them!), so an easy mistake to make!

 

"Delay of more than 45 minutes but less than 90 minutes: Compensation 50% of that portion of the ticket price paid that relates to travel on the delayed service."

Wonder how many people have claimed compensation due to the late running of the 4472 services.

Will we ever find out, how much was refunded, hopefully not too much if at all.

 

I'd hope 92134 would last a bit longer... it only came back for the 2019 Gala. So six years service including the COVID period and very little running this year... I also thought Eric had longer, current ticket started 2018?

My six under overhaul were 80135, 75029, 30825, 34101, 2253, and 68030 (being done at Darlington). Of those 30825 and 2253 I think will run next year. 80135 maybe 2027? 34101 I've no idea. 75029 is obviously much further back and too far away to guess at, but I can't see 2028 unless something significant changes. And obviously 68030 should be by 2028 to fit the NELPG schedule but won't be much use for service trains, though that's already been discussed quite a bit.

I'm also not sure whether Lambton No5 is being worked on or is just being stored. I believe 3672 is technically in the queue for its main work after 2253 is running, to get the learnings from that before starting another oil conversion.

For next years fleet though we broadly agree. Though if the 9F and Eric come out early it looks thin to say the least. I also assume that 30825 is still going to be a Whitby engine?

Here's another thought as well. Will 2253 actually have a new ticket? I've seen bits and bats about the oil conversion but nothing about the boiler being overhauled. I believe the current ticket started in 2019.

 

Must admit I never realised the NYMR was offering delay repay (and why the hell would they?)
Having said that it is well buried in the T & C's so it took me a while to find it.
I assume in line with most TOC's an announcement was not being made on board telling people to claim.
Personally I do not agree with DR on the big railway, especially as the TOC's and DfT seem to use it to hide behind to ignore other consumer rights passengers have.
I guess all the other Heritage Railways can thank the NYMR for letting this rabbit escape.
Also thought DR and Gift Aid are not compatible, how is that handled then?