Is this LNER Stock on the LMS?

Hi All

On the following photo :-
http://stanier-jubilee.photos.gb.net/p57402946.html

45563 Australia seems to be hauling LNER stock at Preston 1/7/61
Can anyone ID the stock if this is so?

Neil

 

I suspect the poor colour on the transparency is playing tricks, and the LNER stock is actually "dirty maroon", and not varnished teak.

 

I am unable to identify thestock but it is definitley LNER.

Meic

 

The first three coaches at least are Gresleys, and the fourth looks as though it is as well but on an earlier queenpost trussed underframe (the first three are on angle trussed underframes, which appeared from about 1933 on. The first coach is a BCK (the first two doors seem to have "1"s on them, and the second and third look like open thirds - the photo is not really clear enough for me to count large windows - if there are 8 they are probably open thirds, if 7 corridor thirds of the end vestibule variety.

 

The photo was taken after nationalisation, so at a guess the train started on the Scottish Region.
As ScotR was made up of components from both LMS & LNER, they mixed stock and locos so that South bound trains over Shap frequently produced former LNER stock and / or locos which presumably is what occurred for your photo.

 

the Drivers name is Willie McCloud from St Rollox and he was working a rest day turn with Fireman McTavish and had cheese sandwiches for lunch. lol

Well done you anoraks....great information ;-)

 

I lived at the side of the Midland Mainline in the 1960's and it was not uncommon to see trains made up of any mix of BR, LMS and LNER coaches, particularly on Summer Saturdays when they needed to run extra trains. Local trains were often entirely Stanier LMS types, and very nice they were.
The prestige trains such as the Devonian, Waverley, and Thames Clyde Express tended to be standard rakes of BR Mk1's, but quite late on some of the North-East/ South-West services, ie Newcastle-Cardiff via Sheffield/Derby/Birmingham had a Gresley Buffet car in the formation.

Bear in mind also, as eluded to by 22A, the coaching stock type could depend on where the services originated from. We forget how diverse our long-distance services were in the 1950's and early 60's. Certainly in Sheffield an "Eastern" arrival at the Midland station, eg ex- Scarborough, could easily be ex-LNER stock and an ex-LNER engine. Pop over to Sheffield Victoria for the York- Bournemouth inter-regional train, and you saw a green Southern-based coaching set. No doubt there could have been the odd Maunsell in there?

 

its memory titbits like these we shall lose when the current generation pass on... keep em comng!

UI got interested in railways in about 1968 and the only pre-nationalisation vehicles you would see would be Gresley buffet cars (on the Western) aprt from full brakes in parcels use.

 

Well I 'aint planning to pass on just yet!

...now, where's that sports jacket, not every one had an anorak, in fact I dont think they had been invented then!

Regards!!

46118

 

Hmmm.
I don't recall that trains from Scotland on the WCML had LNER carriages. What period are you refering to?
But many excursion trains from the East to Blackpool had LNER coaches and by the time they got to Preston some had aquired LMS power.

 

The train is heading North, so unless it has reversed by going round by Lostock Hall seems likely to a train off the LNER bound for Blackpool or Morecambe.

 

i feel a duffle coat would be the pre-anorak attire...or maybe a school blazer....

 

There was atleast one Teak buffet car regularly running on the Western Region in the 1970s.

 

i recall 9128 and 9135 i think....there might have been one or two more

 

Just had a look at the Foxline book "Preston to Blackpool Central". Ex LNER stock on specials from Glasgow, Newcastle and Blackburn around 1960. The train with 45563 could have come from anywhere north of Manchester/Hull.

 

I FREQUENTLY saw ex LNER stock mixed in with LMS/BR Mk1's passing through Lancaster in the 60's. In fact, on spotting trips to Preston, my mate and I would always run for a 'Gresley' to ride in if there was one or more in the set.

 

When I first started working at Didcot in 1977, we use to see a rake of Blue & Grey MK1's with the occasional Gresley Buffet in the rake

 

Hope he wasnt eating "Lancashire cheese" being from foreign parts

 

wensleydale grommit....