If you register, you can do a lot more. And become an active part of our growing community. You'll have access to hidden forums, and enjoy the ability of replying and starting conversations.

The Digital Economy Bill : what's yours is ours

Discussie in 'Photography' gestart door BillR, 18 feb 2010.

  1. BillR

    BillR Well-Known Member

    Lid geworden:
    14 sep 2005
    Berichten:
    1.556
    Leuk Bevonden:
    43
    Want to be outraged and angry?

    Yes?

    Then read this ....

    http://www.copyrightaction.com/foru...s-non-consensual-photography-in-public?page=1
     
  2. Fred Kerr

    Fred Kerr Resident of Nat Pres Friend

    Lid geworden:
    24 mrt 2006
    Berichten:
    8.427
    Leuk Bevonden:
    5.402
    Geslacht:
    Man
    Beroep:
    Freelance photo - journalist
    Locatie:
    Southport
    Whilst admitting that part of the fault lies with photographers who supply the initial images I feel that it is the websites such as Flickr and Photopic who have caused this problem - by acting as agents for the display of digital images without protecting the copyright rights of the image maker. The only solution is the drastic one of not supplying images except through accredited agencies who will protect photographers' copyright thus depleting the market to the point where editors will either have to engage staff to take images or liaise with agencies regarding proper fees anfd copyright protection.

    It is already accepted that railway magazine publication rates are well below the national newspaper rates but the enthusiast is happy to accept the lower rates which are an effective subsidy to the magazine publisher who would otherwise have to raise the magazine(s) cover price. I know of some photographers who now refuse to send their work to magazines purely because of the low rates and this latest infringement is likely to deter many more from considering sending their work. This will see more of the "usual names" with little incentive to encourage new / younger talent to come forward.

    It is - of course - up to the individual photographer to protect his interests but it appears that the greed of the agencies is now being reflected in the reduced opportunities for the photographer.
     
  3. Matt35027

    Matt35027 Well-Known Member

    Lid geworden:
    16 okt 2009
    Berichten:
    1.122
    Leuk Bevonden:
    143
    Geslacht:
    Man
    Beroep:
    Builder
    Locatie:
    Near 74D
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
  4. Swiss Toni

    Swiss Toni Well-Known Member

    Lid geworden:
    9 nov 2008
    Berichten:
    1.997
    Leuk Bevonden:
    3.814
    Locatie:
    Switzshire
    It's no good blaming the agencies and the magazines, it's the government that passes the bill.

    Vote Labour, you know it makes sense.........................or maybe not.
     
  5. Fred Kerr

    Fred Kerr Resident of Nat Pres Friend

    Lid geworden:
    24 mrt 2006
    Berichten:
    8.427
    Leuk Bevonden:
    5.402
    Geslacht:
    Man
    Beroep:
    Freelance photo - journalist
    Locatie:
    Southport
    But only because the lack of action by the agencies and magazines gives the Goverment the opportunity to act in this way and take advantage of a situation for ulterior motives - such as state censorship.
     
  6. Swiss Toni

    Swiss Toni Well-Known Member

    Lid geworden:
    9 nov 2008
    Berichten:
    1.997
    Leuk Bevonden:
    3.814
    Locatie:
    Switzshire
    How would this bill have anything to do with state censorship, it's all about loss of copyright.
     
  7. belle1

    belle1 Part of the furniture Moderator

    Lid geworden:
    14 jun 2007
    Berichten:
    3.403
    Leuk Bevonden:
    11
    Locatie:
    Leigh, Lancs.
    About one third down the page it mentions another change under the part titled The ICO Code whereby anyone photographed in a public place can object to the photographer taking their image, even though it in a public area.
     
  8. Swiss Toni

    Swiss Toni Well-Known Member

    Lid geworden:
    9 nov 2008
    Berichten:
    1.997
    Leuk Bevonden:
    3.814
    Locatie:
    Switzshire
    The ICO code is a different thing altogether which I agree probably does border on state censorship, however it's not "The Digital Economy Bill" as you can see HERE.
     
  9. Spamcan81

    Spamcan81 Nat Pres stalwart

    Lid geworden:
    25 aug 2007
    Berichten:
    36.014
    Leuk Bevonden:
    22.562
    Beroep:
    Training moles
    Locatie:
    The back of beyond
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    They don't even have to object. The photographer cannot take the picture if he feels the subject *might* object. Quite how you work that one out is beyond me. For the time being though this rule will only apply to professional photographers but it's the thin edge of the wedge.
     
  10. willig

    willig Member

    Lid geworden:
    2 jun 2008
    Berichten:
    203
    Leuk Bevonden:
    10
    ‘Orphan copyright' has become a bit of a hysterical internet urban myth. The posting on the link relies on you not reading the actual proposed legislation.

    A couple of years ago, there was a bill drafted in the USA. While it had flaws, the claims made by some of its opponents were completely false. The bill never passed into law.

    Now the same claims, which were dreamt up to generate opposition to the US bill are being ranted about this bill. If you read the actual bill, it does not “introduce orphan works usage rights, which will allow the commercial use of any photograph whose author cannot be identified through a suitably negligent search.” In fact, one of the aims of the bill is to strengthen copyright protection, rather than weaken it.

    The posting on the link claims that the bill “will allow the commercial use of any photograph whose author cannot be identified through a suitably negligent search. That is potentially about 90% of the photos on the internet.”
    And that, “Copyright in photos is essentially going to cease to exist”.

    “Suitably negligent search” is a odd phrase. Do you really understand what it means? These words do not appear in the bill at all. But apparently this, by coincidence, is the same phrase used by the opponents of the US bill.

    The following paragraph is from the explanatory notes attached to the bill:
    “ Topic 2 is online infringement of copyright. Clauses 4 to 17 impose on internet service providers obligations aimed at the reduction of online infringement of copyright. OFCOM is responsible for the specification of the procedural and enforcement aspects of these obligations through the approval or adoption of legally binding codes of practice. Clause 17 gives power to the Secretary of State to make provision by order to amend Part 1 or Part 7 of the Copyright Designs and Patents Act 1988 for the purpose of preventing or reducing on-line copyright infringement”.

    When you look at the actual bill and read it, there is nothing in it about 'orphan copyright'.
    One of the things it requires is actually for OFCOM and the ISPs to limit or prohibit Internet access to copyright offenders. This has understandably generated some concerns amongst ISPs. For one thing, they don't want the responsibility. For another, there are due process concerns.

    I am not sure whether the poster of the page on the link has read the bill or is just responding to what someone has told him, or maybe he has read some other hysterical postings on the subject. Whichever is the case, it is of no consequence. If you have concerns, I urge you to read the bill and make your own mind up. I think the main thing is that this bill is not what it is being painted here.
     
  11. simon

    simon Resident of Nat Pres

    Lid geworden:
    26 jun 2006
    Berichten:
    11.959
    Leuk Bevonden:
    5.656
    So yet another thread where a little research would have revealed the facts - thanks for your clarification Graham.
     

Deel Deze Pagina