60163 + 6024 DH to Plymouth, and 60163 to Penzance!!!

Way on the mark in my eyes. There are certainly other enthusiasts unhappy and fed up with the constant hype about Tornado which overshadows the REAL preservation movement.

 

This is of course the English mentality, ie. as soon as something becomes popular then it's time to start knocking it.

 

I gather your not English then.............

 

No I'm Swiss...

 

It proves my first legal pub crawl was good if I couldn’t even see that one coming!

 

Oh dear on dear people just want to argue again or in Franks case be rude.

Unfortunately (!) I wasn't at Upton Scudamore on the 14th Feb as I was elsewhere enjoying 2,000 tonne steam hauled coal trains with my wife and daughter. If I was in Bath I wouldn't have gone as the pub would have been open or paint would be drying somewhere or I would be saving a pass for something worthwhile (same as the last dozen or so times it has been in our part of the world). In saying that I have seen it on a number of occasions and been unimpressed although it did sound ok once.

As one of the locals said if it was a King it would have been gone by now....

On the noise stakes if it made a quarter of the noise on Scudamore as Ollie made last May (and hopefully will next Saturday) I would be shocked.

In reality how many local enthusiasts (e.g.not from Anglia or the North West - probably the sames ones who kept telling us 50s were a good thing!) would rather see an A1 in the South West rather than something more appropriate? And it is choice of one or the other!

 

Like it or not, 60163 is a powerfull marketing tool for the movement to joe public, 6024, 5043, 4965 & 5029 are all booked useage in the West Country in the coming months,there's your authentic traction.

Loco's working off region is a regular occurence these days, there's an A4 up the Trent Valley in a few weeks so its not just down South.

 

All I said was it doesn't intertest me and it doesnt make any noise.

I didn't criticise those that thought it was a good thing . Building a new loco 50 years after the last one is obviously an achievement although we had to let the Germans do the hard bit. For those that don't think Germans have a sense of humour they do ask how THEIR A1 is getting on! Also the same German works did build two new engines in 2009 within about a year of the orders being placed and are currently reframing and reboilering Harz engines (which are therefore new builds in all but number).

 

Were you ever a trainspotter in the 50s and 60s? An off region working was tremendously exciting to the majority of lads sat on lineside fences and stood on the end of platforms. How often did they say "scrap it" when seeing a Black 5, Hall, B1 or whatever for the umpteenth time yet would react quite differently to a stranger from another region? If you're a true enthusiast then you welcome steam locos of all shapes, sizes and colours whether they're on their old stamping grounds or way off region. As for being unimpressed by 60163, your opinion of course but I reckon it shows you don't really have steam in your blood. Looking on the bright side though, if you don't go out for it it does mean one more space on the lineside for a real enthusiast. Your whole "dissing" of 60163 is quite pathetic and this is from a Southern man.

 

you did exactly that and criticise what is a fine engine just to see any steam engine out and about on the main line is a fantasic site to see. for someone like yourself who has been out on severel occassions to see 60163 your comments are somewhat unjustified

 

Ian,

I don't think I did 'diss' Tornado. I did say it doesn't make much noise compared with other engines (fact) and it is a great achievement to build a mainline engine 50 years on (another fact). I did say it doesn't interest me, we do seem to have it down here rather a lot and I would rather see other engines in this part of the world. That is my choice. It is all well and good being criticised by those further north with a diet of Jub, Black 5s, Scot, Duchess, Brit etc!

There is nothing wrong in giving an engine a less than complimentary nickname. Enthusiasts have done it for years and people on here seem more than happy enough to use Duff and Bucket etc.

Of course I wasn't a spotter in the 1950s or 60s as I was born in 1969. Despite being brought up in almost steamless East Anglia (but with a healthy diet of Stratford's finest) I was also lucky enough to see plenty of steam as a child. Perhaps lots of industrial steam is why I now much prefer seeing a real working engine rather than a glory machine. Give me a Black 5, 8F, QJ, Austerity or 52 any day of the week - the workhorses of the railways which made the profits.

I do find being told that because I don't have an affection for a particular loco I am not a true steam enthusiast a bit strange! I think my wife would disagree as my travels since 2000 have taken me around the world chasing steam over 30 times. Looking at the countries I have visited they all have one thing in common -the engines are generally black and don't carry names! So while the masses are frothing over Tornado I will go somewhere else and support less glory projects.

See you at Foxfield or Tanfield then...

Cheers,

 

Derek,

I dont think anywhere I have criticised Tornado (as I have tried not to) but I look forward to you pointing it out

In my original post I said:

''Another three tours in the South West that I won't be bothering to go out for. I am not even a GW fan but the lack of appropriate engines in the SW this year is very surprising.

Now if WCRC had the Torbays perhaps we would have Halls, Castles and maybe a Brit!''

No criticism of Tornado there then, just a statement that it doesn't interest me. That is my choice and if we all liked the same things it wouild be a boring world.

Since then I have explained that I don't find Tornado particuarly interesting as for among other reasons it doesn't make any noise. That isn't criticism but a fact. Just about everything but an A4 makes more noise.

Also why do so many people including yourself think that if Tornado wasn't on a train it wouldn't run. We have had Torbay's and Steam Dreams for many years now - it isn't a choice of Tornado or nothing. Most but perhaps not all trains would run without it.

I do agree any engine on the mainline is a good thing. We are very lucky to have so much mainline action and it is nice to be able to be picky!

Regards,

 

lol at the idiots who think tornado makes no noise,obviously never been on it then? Makes a lovely racket,more than most engines,heres some vids i have to prove it:

http://www.youtube.com/user/alberta45562#p/u/71/Tl61n5qojjA

http://www.youtube.com/user/alberta45562#p/u/111/MmzqVf4bhiI

http://www.youtube.com/user/alberta45562#p/u/117/i6jM5qLZECI

http://www.youtube.com/user/alberta45562#p/u/119/gMK_GBavikc

http://www.youtube.com/user/alberta45562#p/u/136/BxxUC9hZ3NY

http://www.youtube.com/user/alberta45562#p/u/153/KWYwM4Ub5fk

http://www.youtube.com/user/alberta45562#p/u/154/ZCHjvmAi_Rg

I could name other locos that are not as noisy as Tornado,but i won't i respect any steam loco,couldn't care how it looks,how fast it is or how it sounds,steam is steam and thats that.

Your facts are fiction and have no concrete backup,on a good day tornado can be heard a hell of a long way off. Its just a case of been in the right place at the right time as it is with any other loco,but having been on many tours with the A1 i find you comments quite comical.

 

Here's Tornado at Mitre Bridge running at slow speed but making some fine noise ! Not my film but credit to the uploader.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZslUx5Al5Y8

Brian

 

Alberta ,

Oh dear shame you have to be so rude about people whose opinion differs from yours. You might not realise but it is a free country.

Any how compare and contrast:

Your vid of Tornado going up Dainton:

http://www.youtube.com/user/alberta45562#p/u/111/MmzqVf4bhiI

Ollie doing exactly the same:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5awem_C09Q

Of course I was wrong Tornado is the loudest.

BTW who was the clown leaning out of the front window? Hope you had a word?

And you are right on another point. I have never been on Tornado and can not see the day when I will as I will use my limited passes elsewhere on subjects that interest me. That is my choice.

But here are some engines working hard but they probably have too many pipes on the outside for you to appreciate!

http://www.train-tv.com/Film-129-7-Dampf+trifft+Kohle.html (wait until past the advert)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3oI0yH5dMI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VY0gED_TGo

I was lucky enough to be at all the above locations but I have been convinced by your videos and realise that Torndao is really noisy.

I will now do my lines....

''Tornado makes lots of noise and is the best steam engine in the world.....I am converted by Mark's videos and apologise to all those that I have offended for having an opinion that is different to theirs and therefore wrong''

Repeat 500 times....

And I did all that without being offensive - perhaps you should try it.

Regards,

 

In all honesty I do feel the same a bit about not just 60163, but 70013 and all the other big 'celebrity' locos. Don't get me wrong, I love both locos but it would be nice to make a change in some areas, I find peticularly on the Western Region.

We talk about locos going on different regions, but over the last couple of years GW locos on the main GW routes have become something of a rarity (in my opinion). All I've seen around here recently is 60019, 70013, 60163 and 34067. Occasionally see 6024 but again it's more likely that I see something not GW.

 

My point exactly Ben but be warned others will interpret as knocking Tornado. Also Albeta and Frank will call you all sorts of names!

I agrree with your comments except I would love to ride behind Ollie on the Torbay Express or any other local starting train at a reasonable price. Unfortunately nearly everything it has done down here has started in London or been an RTC v expensive tour. The West Wales trips don't really appeal either as there is no destination for a leg stretch, only a few climbs and long days.

 

This is all a bit dispiriting really. It's a thread supposedly about another great opportunity for people, inc. Joe Public, to experience the thrill of mainline steam, and it's turned into another moanathon. There are many things I don't like in life, or like less than other things I may prefer, but i don't feel the need to depress the wider world about them, by posting on here. If any steam hauled train comes my way, I'll be out to see it, irrespective of the colour of its paint or the fierceness of its bark. It's either in your blood or it ain't!

 

But you are quite happy to insult others that don't follow your views by suggesting you are more of an enthusiast than them....hmm.

Shame we can not have a grown up conversation without resorting to playground name calling!

 

I'll defently be out for all the Tornado trips down SW, and I will be travelling on all the RTC trips to Wales, Scarborough in August when I will be up north on holiday, destination does not bother me, as long as I get a good day out with steam that is all that matters, I go for the thrilling ride behind a steam engine not for where it is going to.