4472 wheelsets

Rule MT 276 mate... look it up

 

To what page of MT276 are you refering?

 

Back-to-back dimension
4.16.1 The back-to-back dimension shall be within the range set out in Table 5.
Wheelset type Dimension range
All new, re-wheeled or re-tyred wheelsets with outside
bearings
1360 to 1362 mm
Re-profiled and in-service wheelsets with outside bearings 1360 to 1363.3 mm
Any wheelset with inside bearings 1358 to 1360 mm
Class 373 (Eurostar) 1357 to 1363 mm
Steam locomotive 1360 to 1362 mm

 

In another place Ian Riley confirms that the tyre has been removed from the left trailing coupled wheel and a new tyre ordered from South Africa.
I think we can infer therefore that it is not a problem with a "wobbly" wheelset, rather that the tyre itself is the problem. That scotches--mercifully--the "damaged when rolled down into a pit at Southall" theory.

A very positive statement from the NRM sets out a timetable for completion of the overhaul of 60103, concluding with saying that the locomotive will be out on the mainline in the summer of 2011.

Given how tight for funds the NRM must be, I recall that they do badly for funds compared to London museums, it must be turning out to be a nightmare cost-wise. However they say they are already talking to third parties about use of the loco when operational, so it is a no-brainer that it will need to "earn its keep" !! I can see it on plenty of "posh" trains down south. However, it should be the "peoples' engine" after all the donations and public money so spent, so maybe it will visit heritage lines, even if only the rail-connected ones, and give the rest of us a chance to ride behind it.

 

can you only retyre only one side then? i always thought that you did these in pairs, ,but saying that in most cases its because of wear and not damage
i am relieved that she will now have vacuum braking fitted so that way she will have a far wider scope, after all not every mainline coaching rake is air braked , vintage trains and WCRC have vacuum stock so steam dreams and VT could have use of her as well as DBS

but like 46118, i am relieved that it was not the wheel set that was found to be at faught

 

You can fit as many tyres as you like, provided you turn the new ones down to the same diameter as ALL the other coupled wheels!

 

What 'posh' trains do you mean? The VSOE has a contract with Clan Line as far as im aware and she still has many years left on her ticket. I wouldnt be surprised if she has a similar calendar to Tornado; 'based' up north and using the NRM's facilities, but will probably pop up everywhere on charter work and heritage line visits to make back the money.

Chris

 

Spot on Chris!

 

as tornado and 4472 are both in effect based at york, or will be i should imagine that the same group would look after both engines and be the support crew for both, it does make sense , they are used to looking after Tornado and Flying scotsman isnt that different , is the air/ vacuum braking going to be the same way ? not a bad pair to have to chose from is it, sorry Tornado's having a washout, would 4472 do? talk about a win-win situation

 

I'm hoping for a tour using both (1 either direction).. you know someone will do it

 

All we want now is the Drury family to be converted to doing a deal with NELPG - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4!

 

I highly doubt that the Tornado support crew will also look after 4472 on a formal basis; while some people might be members of both crews, given the likely workload of both engines they are probably going to spend much of the time at different ends of the country, working trains at the same time. Im not sure how the NRM resources its mainline trips but they seem to have coped in the past so id be surprised if there was a problem.

Chris

 

Here are some FACTS,not idle Southall bashing speculation.The wheelset pushed into a pit by vandals was a spare tender set,subsequently checked for run out and retyred.......and as the tit is only about 2/3rds the width of the wheel set they did'nt drop very far ! Now lets look at the way the driving wheels are slung for lifting.they were never ever lifted at Southall without a brace to stop the tops of the wheels being pulled in,from the pictures iv'e seen of the lifting at York this was'nt done...........Oh God , now you'll have to spit some venom at York cos they may have done the damage.
If you think iv'e got the hump,yes ,your right,most of the people that looked after 4472 for a lot of years had a genuine affection for the loco and spent a lot of their own money and time keeping it running for little reward as most genuine enthusiasts will know,for what? To get slated by a bunch of armchair specialists who think an eccentric is a bloke with too much money and no idea what to do with it.
Rant over,before another word on here,look at it's record ,how many miles has it done in the last 20 years and how many times did it sit down on the main line,don't bother , i'll tell you,once with a stripped thread in an injector steam cock,must have been a right pile of crap !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Thanks for that iknow. So then, not only are the stories of bodges, shortcuts and bad workmanship which have emerged from the two high profile and very expensive Southall overhauls merely Southall bashing speculation, presumably THIS yorkshire post article must be as well...

Chris

 

how many times did VSOE have to resort to diesel haulage or to another steam engine because 4472 was not availible , when people start to try to defend the undefencible they do more harm to what they are trying to defend, Yes there are/were those who did a lot of work for little or no reward, but there was also people who took advantage of the prestige of being involved with 4472 , towards the end the owning company had run out of money and probally wasted a lot on other non loco things , when the loco needed that money spending on it and once in the hands of the NRM the true extent of the problems became clear , as shown in the yorkshire post and yes i do happen to know what an eccentric is thank you we are not all armchair bourne with an axe to grind , so let me ask you this, as you are clearly something to do with Southall, were you happy with the condition of 4472 when it was in your hands?

 

Obviously 100% factualy correct.even down to the steam brake.....Did you know that some of the countries leading steam preservation experts inspected the loco before it was bought and pronounced it fit ?

 

Honest answer...no...but we did the best we could with the money and time available , as for wasted money,sorry not my domain !!!!!!!

 

GO ON MY SON,iKNOW, SOME PEOPLE POST ON THIS SITE ARE ECCENTRIC , I MUST OF MISTED THE STEAM BRAKE ON SCOTSMAN, LIKE NRM LIFTING THE WHEEL SET WRONG, WELL WELL, FISH7373 81C FITTER

 

this is what i have been getting at, the people at the sharp end were NOT happy at the state of 4472 but their hands were to an extent tied, i have never blamed them for the state of the loco, but the management side of things that allowed for what happened , fish is being honest, for which i thank him
what is important is that 4472 comes out in as new condition and is looked after and maintained properly which before because money was not being put to where it should of, ie being re invested in the loco rather than some far fetched scotsman village was clearly not done

 

Whilst I can accept that that there is a right way and a wrong way to lift a wheel set, I'd be a bit worried if lifting them incorrectly could result in the axle being bent under their own weight or the wheels distorting on their seat. If it is suggested that a ton or two of thir own weight could bend them, how would they fare with 22tons per axle of loco sitting on them? And if the crank axle was that weak I can't imagine that it woul get more than a few miles down the road before falling to bits. Then, if you're talking twaddle on this, how much credence can we give to your other assertions?