NYMR loco shed

I've got a few questions...

-When does 45212 stay on the Moors until and when does its ticket run out? I'm sure I remember reading in Steam Railway years back that the NYMR only had it for the first 7 years of its ticket before it returns to Haworth but haven't 7 years been and gone?
-Is 5224 going to be returning?
-Is 44767 set to be a resident engine when it returns?
-Does 63395 run regularly or is it limited to a low number of annual running days? I only ask because I rarely see photos of it taken outside of galas.
-When do the tickets run out on the operable locomotives?
-Is 830 actually going to be restored or will parts just be lent to 825 when it comes in for overhaul as happened with 841?
-I see on the website that work on Hartland will begin in earnest when 75029 is done - is the locomotive still privately owned and will it be run on the NYMR if so?
-Are there any long-term plans at all for the S160 or Dame Very Lynn? Is the former still for sale?

Sorry, I realise that's an awful lot of questions but it's been a while since I've managed to get to Grosmont or look at a copy of Moors Line so I'm rather out of the loop. Any answers greatly appreciated.

One final thing (which doesn't really relate to the loco shed) - can anybody tell me where these photos (click and click) from the NYMR's flickr were taken? Despite having visited and photographed many times I've never been very familiar with the Pickering end of the line!

 

I know 44767 is doing the summer season at the NNR this year.

 

Both are near New Bridge: the first shows the up outer home signal, while the second is of the repeater for the up outer home.

 

The location of the photos is the easy bit! The first one is just north of New Bridge Yard, Pickering. New Bridge No.21 signal is the giveaway. The second photo is slightly north of this point. Again, the Banner repeater for NB21 signal identifies the spot.
45212 is subject to an agreement between Peter Best and the KWVR, and then on hire to the NYMR, the details of which I don't know. I believe its so called 'ticket' reaches year 10 in 2011.
With the present number of locos available, I personally can't see 5224 returning, but you never know!
You need to ask Ian Storey about 44767.
63395 is a regular performer. I don't know where you get the idea that it isn't used much! It did 6887 miles in 2008 and 5944 miles in 2009. Expect a similar mileage this year, which equates to about 80 days in traffic.
I can't comment on 830.
Hartland is still privately owned. Work has already started on it although it has been on the back burner recently.
By all accounts, the S160 is still for sale. However, that has been the case for a long time with no takers. Personally, I would like to see it overhauled and returned to traffic. DVL will be overhauled eventually.

The above is my understanding. Bean Counter may be prepared to give a more official answer.

 

That's brilliant Steve, thanks for taking the time to answer those questions. I'm glad 63395 is used regularly, I just didn't realise it was having not seen many photos of it on the usual flickr/fotopic sites! Incidentally what did the highest mileage last year? I imagine it would've been 825 or Repton? Could be totally wrong there of course.

I meant to ask about whether 53809 was staying or not as well since that's one of the loveliest engines on the railway. I'd like to see the S160 overhauled as well, especially with there being no others in use currently, until Big Jim or the Churnet's second one returns to steam. I seem to remember reading something about it not being especially popular with the crews on the NYMR although I wouldn't be able to tell you where I read that...

And thanks to both you and Bramblewick for the New Bridge details, I might have to try and get that shot during the gala weekend but I want to try for the location by the river near Glaisdale of which there's a photo printed in this week's Heritage Railway so it could be a bit of a challenge fitting it all in!

 

Bramblewick must have got his post in on photo locations whilst I was typing mine. As for mileage, 75029 was tops in 2009 with 9268 miles, followed by 45212 (8241), 825 (8115), 60007 (6030). 63395 (5944), 76079 (5585), 30926 (4611), 53809 (4195), 45407 (4005), 6619 (3267), 60163 (1030), 49395 (817) and 70013 (342).
I expect that 53809 will stay but I don't think there is a long term agreement. It's certainly bee na much improved loco, this last year.
People either love or hate the S160. I'm in the former camp. I think it is a brilliant loco and ideally suited to the line. It was once allocated to Neville Hill and probably worked over the Moors during the war.

 

It would indeed be sad to lose the S160, in part because she was a Neville Hill engine during her few months on loan to the LNER during the war, and consequently almost certainly ran over what are now NYMR metals. Off the top of my head there are only five other engines in preservation of which that can be said: the long boilered 0-6-0 at the NRM, which was a Malton engine; 42085, which was based at both Whitby and Scarborough sheds; 45428, which ended its career at Neville Hill; D345; and D2066, which worked the very last Malton - New Bridge Quarry pick up goods.

I could be wrong, but if I remember rightly 53809's original owner in preservation, Frank Beaumont, originally intended that she would be based at the NYMR.

ETA: It looks as though I've clashed with Steve again.

 

Funny how things turn out, isn't it?

 

I think Steve and Bramblewick have covered most of Jark91's questions! I will add one or two more points:

45212 - the NYMR hires this loco from Peter Best, who in turn hires it from the KWVR. One of the agreements has a maximum milage in it - I think the Peter/KWVR one. I believe the NYMR/Peter agreement has a year left to run.
44767 - I think it would be fair to say both Ian Storey and the NYMR would like to see the loco return to its "home" and both hope this will happen for the 2011 season. Ian needed an assurance of usage/income in 2010 which at the time, due to commitments to other lcoos, the NYMR couldn't give at the time, hence its travels this year.
10 year tcikets (I know Steve has strong views on this term!) - 76079 is May 2017, 30926 March 2013, 75029 currently undergoing intermediate which should lead to a new 10 year ticket, 45428's just started. Less sure on hired locos but 825 and 6619 are similar and I think are 4 or 5 years left, A4 just a little more, Q6 about 7 or 8 years. Even less sure about locos that have come to the NYMR after the issue of their present tickets!
To reiterate Steve's views, these are merely maximum (although can be extended slightly!) between full internal boiler inspections and locos often don't make the 10 years without major work. For most NYMR maintained locos, future policy is likely to be that intermediate overhauls are undertaken so that, unless major firebox surgery is needed (as is the case next overhaul with 30926 and currently with 80135), the intermediate wirk should mean the loco doesn't miss a full season (hopefully!). I hope to have a piece in the next Moors Line on future loco policy.
830 - boiler is currently being overhauled by the owners to ensure a rapid return to traffic for 825 when the current boiler is due overhaul.
34101 - boiler work is well underway but not main focus of current activity - firebox has been dismantled and all but one of the components for renewal have been delivered. Still owned by Dick Shaw but hopefully will continue to run on the NYMR when complete.
S160 is for sale - effectively "swapped" in the fleet for 76079, thus getting a loco in traffic now and paying for overhaul at one go by purchasing a working loco, if you see what I mean!
3672 is probably next loco for work to start (I should add purely by my calculations) on once 34101 and 80135 are complete - thus when depends to no small part on continued success of "Bridges and Wheels Appeal", the wheels being 80135! This will dictate speed of work on 80135.

This is probably an ideal place to pay tribute to the MPD Staff. This winter, this have completed 45428, done a value and piston exam and other necessary work on 7679, made much progress on 75029's intermediate overhaul, progressed Lamton No.29's firebox rebuild and undertaken work on 30926 and assisted hire locomotive owners. This is additional to the work of the diesel team.

In recent years, the boiler team have averaged a boiler a year, completing 825, 30926, finishing off 6619, a major rebuild of 45428 and contract rebuilds of 60007 and 63395. Lambton No.29, 75029 and the dismantling of 80135 (largely a volunteer project) are all currently in progress. The amount of work achieved and the level currently being dealt with, in particular what has been achieved this last winter is a great achievement for the team there and full credit and thanks should go to Clive, Adam, Paul and all the lads on the ground and Phil the T & R S Engineer.

Steven

 

Thanks Steven. As a matter of interest, what's the current status of 3814?

 

Again, thanks to bean and everybody else for all of the answers! Very helpful. The intermediate overhaul policy sounds like a good plan. Glad to hear too that 825 will be returned to traffic speedily when the time comes - it's a lovely locomotive and fits right in at the Moors despite being hundreds of miles from its original stomping ground!

 

3814 still needs the boiler overhauling - is is off the loco and near the Running Shed. The loco is privately owned by an indiviudal who has done all the work on the chassis and tender with a small band of loyal volunteers, but the boiler is always a big, expensive and skilled job needing specialist help.

Steven