locomotives abroad

with the 8f's coming back and the locomotive to beamish. i have the question of how many other British locomotives are around the world. i know of the 2 A4's but is there much else.

 

ROD 2-8-0s in Australia (similar to GCR 8Ks IIRC); War Dept 8Fs as previously discussed in Turkey and Iraq.

 

There's a Terrier in Canada.

 

..... and quite a few from the North Wales quarries and Avonmouth smelting works.

 

quite a few what. saddle tanks?

 

There must be a lot of British built engines overseas that were made for overseas railways. The only issue about repatriating them is that most are not standard gauge or of a British loading gauge.

Regards

 

sorry should have put ones of standard gauge. and ones that were used on our rails or like the 8fs were to a design used on our rails.

 

Not forgetting 2 A4s in the USA and Canada plus some stock.

Then there is all the output from manufacturers like Kitsons, Hunslets, North British and Vulcan to mention a few.

 

Not sure if you would count this as abroad but somewhere on the sea bed are:

Several 8fs or what left of them - previously discussed on here and illustrated some while ago in steam beano

Several GW Armstrong 388 Class 0-6-0 outside frame tender locos lost in WW1 but about which little seems to be known - it would be interesting to lean more re these.

In the 1980's in Turkey in addition to the 8fs a Dean Goods tender was seen and photographed though nothing hasbeen heard of this more recently.

 

NBL certainly, also Sharp, Stewart and Beyer Peacock.

UK manufacturers built and exported steam locos until WW1 and then Mr Churchill's Mistake put the kibosh on it.

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Beyer Peacock 0-6-4T , Mersey Railway no. 1 'The Major' , Built 1885 . Now preserved but not restored, in Australia.

Bob.

 

Probably a reference of his decision to return to the pre-WW1 Gold Standard in the 1920s, when he was Chancellor. As I understand it, this meant that the £ was significantly overvalued, therefore British exports became uncompetitive and arguably extended the Great Depression. I'm definitely not an expert on this, perhaps someone can give better info but then again it might be getting way off topic!

 

Yes, Mr Churchill's Mistake was indeed to approve the return to the gold standard. It meant that, instead of a pound being worth USD 4.40, it was revalued upwards to USD 4.84. The move was supposed to show the world that the war had changed nothing, but instead showed the weakness of Sterling.

Exports such as railway locomotives became uncompetitive - after all, why pay 10% more to buy from the UK when you could buy from other European manufacturers, or the USA? [exports to parts of the Empire, though, continued]

The return to the gold standard had direct relevance for the economics of the "Big Four": the LNER, which was meant to benefit from the strength of the NER, found itself poorer almost overnight as heavy industry and mining across the North East suffered a slump in its export trade. In the same year that Churchill returned the UK to the gold standard, Gresley and Bulleid got word that they had to make economies, and projects such as resignalling for longer freight trains - the reason the P1s were built - were shelved.

Montagu Norman, Governor of the Bank of England, on whom Churchill had relied when making his decision, later joined his counterparts from France and Germany in going to the USA and urging easing of monetary policy to stop the flow of gold to the States. However, the easy money thus released went into speculation in common stocks, which ended on "Dark Thursday", 24 October 1929. Churchill just happened to be in the public gallery at the NYSE when everything kicked off.

Churchill later admitted his mistake, saying that he did not know much about economics, but he did know that shooting Montagu Norman would have been a good thing.

 

There are lots in New Zealand, but they're narrow gauge. Apparently when NZGR wanted to get rid of an engine, it wasn't scrapped but dumped in a river to shore up the banks! NZ preservationists are busy digging them out.

There are two surviving Vulcan 'Liberation' 2-8-0s in Poland, out of the 120 built 1944-5 for UNRRA. See http://www.enuii.org/vulcan_foundry/photographs/locomotives/Publicity/Liberation.pdf
There is a web forum which might be of interest http://www.worldrailfans.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10006&view=next

Regards

 

The Liberation 2-8-0 is sitting on a vaguely similar WD tender at Chabowka.
It is privately owned, I understand.
The one Jaworzyna Slaska is not in a good way when I saw it last.


Locos abroad..

isnt there a J94 on a roundabout in Morrocco ?
wasnt there a picture of a ROD 2-8-0 somewhere in North Africa circulating a few years ago.


And the other.. is the missing RSH 0-6-0T which the early members of the ELR assisted with it's sale, and some Mark 1's to the Boyne City Railroad in the early 1970s. It's whereabouts are unknown since the early 1980s, the ensemble is last thought to be in Kentucky.

I saw an 0-4-0ST in Curitiba, Brazil a few years back, made in Wolverhampton in the 1880s.

 

One of the pictures I've seen of "Dunrobin" in the last day or two seemed to show it coupled to a Mk 1 - I wasn't aware of any going to Canada, so where did it come from? I've a feeling that the ones that went with the RSH tank to Boyne City RR were scrapped but perhas it was one off those - or were there any Mk1s in the Flying Scotsman tour train?

 

A WD 2-10-0 is preserved in Holland, and there are several Austerity tanks in Holland and Belgium and one in Tunisia. Two of the big LMS jackshaft diesel shunters survive in Italy, and a Davington Light Railway Manning Wardle is believed to still be in Brazil.

Two Terriers - 'Thames' and 'Surrey' - were exported to Argentina in 1909, and as far as I know are unaccounted for. I understand that two of the Bideford, Appledore & Westward Ho! Railway's locos are on the seabed somewhere off the Cornish coast.

 

Along with the former Mersey No 1, known as Brown's No 5 and the three RODs (Brown's No 20, No 23 & No 24), there are a few other steam locomotives in NSW that might be of interest...

No 1. 0-4-2. http://www.australiansteam.com/1.htm

No 18. 0-6-0. http://www.australiansteam.com/18.htm

No 20N/403/Brown's No 4. 0-6-0ST. http://www.australiansteam.com/20N.htm

No 78. 0-4-2. http://www.australiansteam.com/78.htm

No 129. 0-6-0ST. http://www.australiansteam.com/128.htm

PWD 79. 0-6-0ST. http://www.australiansteam.com/79.htm

1021. 0-4-0ST. http://www-personal.usyd.edu.au/~stephen/trains/X10/1021.shtml

1033. 2-4-0T. http://www.australiansteam.com/1033.htm
http://www-personal.usyd.edu.au/~stephen/trains/X10/1033.shtml

1034. 0-4-0CT. http://www-personal.usyd.edu.au/~stephen/trains/X10/1034.shtml

1042. 2-4-0T. http://www.australiansteam.com/1042.htm
http://www-personal.usyd.edu.au/~stephen/trains/X10/1042.shtml

2510. 2-6-0. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_South_Wales_Z25_class_locomotive

2535. 2-6-0.

There's also a truckload of industrial steam locomotives extant in NSW, on the 'gauge, which are of standard UK design. http://www.australiansteam.com/nswindframe.htm

If you're of an Irish bent, 1033 & 1042 have a 5'3" sister in SA.

P117. 2-4-0T. http://www.australiansteam.com/sarframe.htm

Across the three major gauges, Australia has a few British designed locomotives, especially many variations of the Beyer Peacock 'Colonial' types, on 3'6" and 4'8½", four, six and eight coupled. Some of these, the NSWGR Z-12 Class and Z-13 Class, would like quite at home on a British Victorian themed railway. Yer not gettin' 'em, though. 8^)