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6023 King Edward 11

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by cct man, Feb 1, 2010.

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  1. No.7

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    A king is only a bit heavier than the class 47 that 60007 hauled around all December with gross loads of over 580 tons and that didn’t seem to hold the A4 back noticeably!
     
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  2. Steve from GWR

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    Tornado once it's also in blue
     
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  3. Steamage

    Steamage Part of the furniture

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    6023 + 5029 in her current "Great British Western Railways" livery would be quite an interesting combination.
     
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  4. Dan Hill

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    They did but on The Mayflower when we got back to Exeter 60019's headboard and front was covered in soot. I feel sorry for those who had to clean the loco afterwards. I would however like 6023 and 60007 because both in BR Blue will look great.
     
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    [video=youtube;QRLonJ_sIFQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRLonJ_sIFQ[/video]

    How about 6023 and 6233? Close comparison here 5029+46229 before 46229 had that ugly tin bath attached to her.
     
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  6. Mighty Mogul

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    Not that I'm keen on these slightly incongruous ideas for locomotive pairings, but I would imagine 6023 + 6201 would be appropriate because of the similarities of design between the locos.
     
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  7. Neil_Scott

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    828 and 6023 on the Severn Valley in September would be a nice blue double-header. Interesting to compare to the two shades when they meet.
     
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    Should be quite harmonious given the BR blue was based on the CR livery.
     
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    Would have to be Bewdley-Kidderminster only due to the weight limit on Victoria Bridge. The largest things that can go across double headed are small prairies, I believe!
     
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  10. jane

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    i Would still love to see the two kings together even if it was only from bewdley- kidderminster;
    long live the kings;

    all the best
    jane ;
     
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  11. Neil_Scott

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    I expect 6023 to be quite lighter than 828. 828 carries the CR's 1895 blue which is quite a deep blue, very similar to Oxford Blue. The lighter shade that most people associate with the Caley came in about 1905 or so.
     
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  12. Neil_Scott

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    Solution: If 828 acts as pilot (LM thinking here, not GW, so 828 leading), stop short of the bridge, detach 828 and run over followed by 6023 plus train and reattach once clear of the bridge. On the Speyside line that was the order when Pickergill Bogies (4-4-0s) were double heading trains as the bridges weren't passed for double-heading with these engines but according to an old Keith Passed Cleaner they just used to charge over them thinking that if they went faster over the bridge then it wouldn't matter...!
     
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    The amount of coats and TLC going into the paint finnish will probably make 6023 out of gauge, never mind the cab, safety valve and chimney height!!

    (LOL, just poking fun, honest, they'll get me back I'm sure.)
     
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    In normal operations, I do believe you are right, but if authority is granted, more can double head. For instance, the last train of 2010's ASG was doubled headed by 3205 and 7802 (7802 having a 4000 gallon tender) which has a comined weight about 70 tons heavier than 2 4575s. That said, 6023 and 828 would still, probably, be too heavy for them to allow.
     
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  15. Pete Thornhill

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    Ivatts moguals/ tanks can too in any combination! Can have a biggun on the back as well as long the it is not on the bridge at the same time!!!
     
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    Just to let you know that 6023 moved under her own power for the 1st time since 1962 today. Tests have highlighted a few minor niggles, which considering the state she arrived in way back in March 1990 is pretty amazing really. roll on the launch in April.
     
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  17. Steve from GWR

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    Thanks Jake, that's great news. What an achievement!
     
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  18. MarkinDurham

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    Well done to all concerned. Fantastic job.

    Mark
     
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    That's fabulous news, big congrats to all involved. Incidently I think there is a weight restriction on an overbridge between Highley & Arley which also effects larger locos/double headers. This couldn't have always been the case as this video of sadly missed 7819 & 75069 from 1989 shows (worth it for the demolition Eardington alone!), also there's a clip of 48773 and 34027 double heading from the same chap, who has a brilliant selection of archive SVR vids on youtube. They used to work the locos back then!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbaCZtyx9bY
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bbrWvd5siU
     
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    In reply to Neil_Scott's suggestion, this is actually an accepted method of taking otherwise over-heavy loco combinations over VB, however as far as I know it is never used on public services, due to the extra time involved - which also will affect the whole timetable of course.
    It may also be that the rules do not allow it with fare-paying passengers aboard, due to the stringent rules on one train in a section at any one time, although that is conjecture on my part.
     
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