Tornado

Very interesting!!!!!!!!!!!
It just goes to show that this locomotive is special worldwide.
It was different in the days when they just replaced bits when they caused trouble.
Nowadays we are more concerned about why and how to stop it happening again.
Hence the frantic engineering interest from all sides.

 

Here's the RyPN website thread referred to in the video posted by Ben. RyPN Tornado thread

The debate is generally of as high a standard as the video, the US clearly has some well qualified steam engineers. Oh that this thread could even begin to approach their standards!

 

Having read the full thread, I formed entirely the opposite opinion. There was quite a bit of rubbish posted on there. Ok, this thread has some rubbish posts but there is quite a lot of good, intelligent discussion on here. The big problem is that on here it can get too near the truth, at times and those that know more are constrained from posting for various reasons...........,.

 

Clearly - as is human nature - we'll see things differently, and never entirely eye to eye on everything.

I found the thread itself fascinating, learned a lot on boilers, and hopefully what to look out for in future (be it opinion or fact).

The difference in the mud rings was especially intriguing.

 

^^^ What he said.

On here all I have read is generalised speculation. Either the boiler design is wrong, the Germans can't build boilers or the A1 Trust can't look after it properly. None of this is supported by any reasoned scientific argument. On the other hand the RyPN thread is more like attending an MIC class. Plenty of fascinating stuff about different ways of fabricating all welded boilers, esp. w.r.t to stays and foundation rings, but also grades of steel, weld procedures etc, all supported by some excellent photos and drawings. Plus a healthy respect for the abilities of other nations, unlike much of the jingoism on here.

 

I see the works in Germany have an "open day". Is this annually? I would love a look round that place, it seemed a very relaxed affair....no hi viz, no steel boots, hard hats etc......

 

What I found particularly fascinating was the change in design of the German boilers, and the adaptation from coal to oil firing. The support brace section surprised me immensely - seeing the cracks (and, not so much, due to the camera angle, the warping) is not something I've ever seen before. That the Germans then removed this feature on the later boilers of the same type altogether, with (according to that thread and video) little to no problems must say something about simplicity and over engineering to a degree.

Overall, it is making me want to get out my old books on thermodynamics and trying to understand better the physics, chemistry and metallurgy involved.

 

Just seen on the A1 trust website today and it has now said that Tornado will not be running until The Cathedrals Express on Thursday 26th May 2011.
I was really looking forward to seeing her on the NYMR but seems like it is not to be :Cry:

kind regaurds.

 

There is an annual festival at the beginning of September; 3rd & 4th this year (2011). There is also a 90 minute tour every 1st & 3rd Saturday of the month, at 10:00am; cost €5. You don't need to book.

Jeden ersten und dritten Samstag im Monat um 10.00 Uhr werden Führungen durch das Werk angeboten. Eine Führung dauert
ca. 90 Minuten. Anmeldungen sind nicht notwendig.

Interessierte sind hierzu recht herzlich eingeladen.

Bei den Führungen sind unter anderem die Lokhalle mit den im Werk befindlichen Lokomotiven und Waggons, das Anheizhaus sowie die Kesselschmiede zu besichtigen.

Eintrittspreis: 5,- €

The website is here. Click on the Union Flag, top right, wenn Du kein deutsch sprichst!

 

More info from the A1 website:

http://www.a1steam.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=1&Itemid=123

including news of light engine and loaded test runs in early May before its first scheduled outing in Brunswick Green on May 26th

 

Glad to hear that it will be in Brunswick for the 2012 season also!!!

 

[video=youtube;oXUdQwQUF48]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXUdQwQUF48&feature=feedf[/video]

The above is a video link a chap on another forum posted. I know its LMS, but I feel the sheer scale of the rebuilding sequence of one of the Jubilees does in some way contribute to how I view Tornado's situation at the moment. With that sort of works available, and sheer strength in numbers of manpower, the whole engine is overhauled in a significantly short period of time (12 days from entering to leaving in full working order!). It's fascinating to see the engine taken to bits, and then put back together in "stages" as it was described on the video.

 

Very interesting and what lovely, well spoken, Engliish....................

 

Surely in LMS days it would be King's English

 

Very entertaining ! you have to give todays loco workshops up and down the country credit as this work still takes place. It may take a while longer today but the end results the same.
Brian

 

Great film but the above statement does need comment - 5605 (on the film) had done four times the miles that Tornado has, and it was'nt brand new either . . . .

 

That's an irrelevance IMHO. AFAIU the OP posted the link as an example of how a major overhaul took place. But anything for a sly dig at Tornado I suppose.

 

I think S.A.C Martin put it on the Tornado thread as it some way illustrates that major work on Tornado is partially justified, and all I pointed out that the two are not quite the same?

It was'nt supposed to be a dig @ Tornado just a comment on the posting - sorry if I made any offence.

 

Not only that, the Jubilee had done more miles, but less thermic cycles. When you compensate for the two I would imagine the locomotives need for general repaird would be really quite similar, if we discount the slight extra repair required to tornado's which the A1 trust has already alluded to as being somewhat more than expected.