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Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by jane, Feb 20, 2011.

  1. belle1

    belle1 Part of the furniture Moderator

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    I ended up at Culcheth as someone decided to unload a truck with a Hiab on the lane to Astley crossing...

    Yes it had a 67 on the front, 71000 in steam though so not sure whether the 67 is going all the way with 71000. Came past me around 12.23.

    Neil.
     
  2. markjkirby

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    on time passing stafford at 14-39 with 67026 on the front.
     
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    I have put up a rather uninspiring "record" video of 71000 near Keckwick (Weaver Junction part of the world). I tried a new location for me and the combination of sun position and undergrowth left me with this compromise:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk8VNChn6yU

    Chris
     
  4. RalphW

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    Passing Acton Bridge on time.

    [youtube]weMxuHLXly0[/youtube]
     
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    Any particular reason for the upturned rubbish skip on the front? Looks as if 71000 was still doing some work.
     
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    Is there a reason why 71000 keeps getting 67s with it??? I assume on this occasion to save water/coal???
     
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    Good to see DoG giving the skip a good old steam clean on departing Crewe ;)
     
  9. markjkirby

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    monday 7-3-11 5z75 71000

    h green 10-13
    wembly yd 12-14/13-12
    northampton 14-37/15-26
    stafford 17-17/52
    crewe 18-12/19-20
    manchester v 20-44
    heywood gf 21-17
     
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    Apparently 71000 is to be piloted on every LE move as the water saving reduces move times so much that towing is more economical than a solo move

    Yup - the lunatics have taken over
     
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    Why the surprise? Paths are at such a premium these days that removing the costs and delays caused by water stops makes perfect sense for the longer LE movements, some of which are rediculously long, though perhaps more for DBS and their greater diesel fleet than WCRC.

    Chris
     
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    Looking at the times for the return there's plenty of time in the stops to take water.... Having a 67 in the consist to me adds to costs hire of it with fuel and driver for the day.
    Brian
     
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    Apparently leaving @ 10.00am today arriving ELR 23.00hrs...............13 hrs..............
     
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    Surely Saturdays run did not make enough money to cover the LE moves ?.
     
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    I suspect that availability of steam crews is also a factor in diesel pilotng the loco+POB moves. 71000 only operates with DBS and so movement under her own power would require a driver, fireman and inspector (with probably at least one crew change en route as well).
     
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    I would back-up Malc on this - don't forget that route knowledge can also be a factor, needing to match drivers with route knowledge and steam knowledge. I know this has been a factor leading to diesel haulage in moves for 60163 and 60007 (I think) undertaken by DBS in the past.

    Steven
     
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    Surely movement being piloted would require their driver and fireman on 71000 anyway? so only on man being saved, but then he is now driving the diesel.
     
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    "Piloted" is probably the wrong word, "hauled" is probably more appropriate as 71000 shouldn't be under power. I don't know what DBS's requirements are for this sort of movement - whether they require one of their own personnel to be on the footplate, or whether a member of the support crew can look after the loco, but I doubt very much whether both a driver and fireman are required. And, as Bean-counter says, route knowledge is another factor. One only has to look at the number of footplate staff DBS used on Saturday (at least 9) and the geographical spread of their home depots (Hither Green, Crewe, Bescot, Eastleigh, Bristol) to realise that supplying steam crews can be an issue for DBS.
     
  19. jane

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    anyone know were she has got to yet on her light move north please ?

    all the best
    jane;
     
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    Malc, when I saw the Duke last week, piloted was the right word as the regulator was open and she was working albeit not very hard, unless I am mistaken, steam has to on to ensure adequate lubrication.
     

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