BR Standard class 6 No. 72010 'Hengist' and Clan Discussion Thread

but were not mass producing. and we dont have the money to do things straight off. Its called marketing. if people have the impression that it will be done then they will join where as if you dont show progress no one will. having the wheels makes it look like a locomotive and people will hopefuly donate more

 

Only to be wasted on cranage fees.

 

well that can be timed well with other locos to cut the costs. i dont make up the plans, thats up to the directors. they all know what there doing, they have been involved with many other loco re builds. Im only telling you why they have chosen to do things in the way they have. how hengist chooses to do theres is up to them.

 

Also with Patriot, did they not have access to a pattern for the wheels so this was less of a step than it might have been ?
My plan is purely supposition but i agree with Gav that wheels give the impression that things are moving, or at least have the potential to move...

 

Plus you also then have the option to move the frames easily. Say Llangollen needed the space where the pat is now for a month. At the moment they cant do that but having our wheels makes it easier. Again it all depends on where the clan eventually move to but having frames sitting in the same place for 10yrs is something some railways would say straight off no to.

 

Having a rolling chassis with smokebox is terrific PR. Tornado was shorn of valve gear, boiler, piping, and many other components - but putting a smokebox with door number on top of the frames (shortly after, rolling frames) made it look a damn sight closer to reality than it really was:



http://www.a1steam.com/images/stories/1999-smoker_in_place.jpg

That's part and parcel of trying to build these locomotives. The locomotive has to look like a partially built locomotive instead of a kit of parts to sell it to the ordinary punter or enthusiast.

 

Although the photo looks impressive with the cylinders, smokebox and cab in place, there is something missing. The wheels. The frames are on cradles. As I have said previously, you get the frame arrangement completed first and then you can build up from that.
The 82045 group at the SVR have the right approach. Once the frame arrangement is complete and riveted up, the cylinders can go on and a progression of jobs can be done. Indeed, if someone would like to sponsor a complete smokebox, then that could be manufactured and put in place.

 

Bit of a both right situation developing here... all this advice is priceless for Hengist.

 

And Hengist has the great advantage of only needing two cylinders so apparent progress ought to be faster. No one will pretend that the frames with all their attendant stretchers and drag-boxes are cheap but having assembled them the cab and smokebox are relatively inexpensive items to fabricate.... and, voici! You have something that feels as big as the finished item! Getting the "face" in place was a milestone for 60163.

Foxy

 

The new cab is complete, painted and lined. The new smokebox is a kit of parts, awaiting assembly. Have a read throught the 72010 Hengist website. I think you will be suprised at what has already been completed.

 

As I said in my original post, it was wheeled shortly afterwards But it's a case of semantics: I think we all agree you need something impressive to keep the interest flowing.

 

I wasn't getting at you. I was making a point. I agree, to get the smokebox and cab in place gives a "progress" look.

 

I know, it's fine

I think mainline running should be made a priority, personally. Would give an added incentive to punters, especially for railtours in Scotland, for instance.

 

are you a member of Hengist? I think we all agree that if you give members and potential members/donors something that looks big they walk away believing in the project and are more likely to join. When i was at GCR in jan with our sales stand a gentleman came up and was asking if we actually believed we could build it in the time we have stated and we showed him the progress and he looked a lot more positive after he saw things. but if we had the wheels on and could show pictures people would be even more impressed. Like it was mentioned before were luck to have the wheel pattern so costs were cheaper for us. and we already had the wheel from the 8f and were buying the other wheel for the front bogie from the turkish 8f. So our point of view is we can release an article in the press saying something like "LMS Patriot project is Wheeley ready to go" or something just as cheesy, because we have the tender wheels as well so we have all our wheels. its up to each indivual group on how they do things tho. And where there kept as well as the railway your on might want to move you about. Anyway the race is on to see who will be steaming first lol. Who do you think will be done first?
1. Hengist
2. The Unknown Warrior
3. Betton Grange
4. 82045
5. Atlantic project
6. County
7. Lady of Legend
8. G5 tank
9. F5 tank
10. Standard 2 tank (if you class this as a new build)

Im not going to include claud hamilton or the p2's at this point as they havent started as such.

 

Pony wheels off the Turkish 8F !!! Is the one at Barry now being broken up for sale of spares?

 

Nope the wheels are from the one in service (GWSR) as the owner is back off to Turkey to get spares including a wheelset which is in better condition so he is selling us the other one. Article is in Steam railway in 2 days time i believe.

 

Can't speak for a lot of these, but the Atlantic will certainly beat the Standard 2 tank. There's actually an awful lot built: frames are assembled, with the valve chests between the frames; I think the cylinders are fabricated (not sure about that); the wheels are cast and have the tyres fitted, though they still have to be turned and the crankpins added; the major motion parts are cut (from solid steel, rather than forged) and machined, and of course the boiler already exists, as well as a rolling tender underframe.

For anyone interested, there is an open weekend this weekend at Sheffield Park: see http://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/bluebell/locos/atlantic/latest.html

Isn't the GW Saint project being built so it can also run as a 4-4-2 if required? It would be impressive to see the two together, especially when Beachy Head gets turned out in LBSC livery.

Tom

 

The Brighton Atlantic has fabricated cylinders and valve chests, these, I believe, have been heat-treated and stress-relieved and she should be ready in a couple of year's time. The "Saint" has got to be among the leaders but Betton Grange is coming on strongly. Needles to say, those projects which benefit from GWR standardisation have a major advantage!

Foxy

 

Seem to be missing the first rebuild project of them all in this list..

LNWR 670 at Tyseley.. pretty much complete including wheels / boiler, just been in the back seat for many years.

Given the will / and not that much cash... it'd have potential to be the next new build complete.

it's interesting how 20 years ago the discovery of a "bit" (a tender (LNWR 670), a boiler (32424), a similar Barry wreck (84030), or enough Standard parts (County) etc) was enough to kick start a new build of an original, yet if someone suggested taking Flying Scotsman's spare Boiler, spare cylinders and 2nd tender to build a new A3 (and isnt there some wheels around as well).. that such a suggestion would be shot down in flames today.

 

Is this really the case ? dont think it would be shot down in flames... apart from the fact that we already have an A3 (even though its a constant source of ire regarding livery/chimney/smoke deflectors etc...
Its a good starting point for maybe an A1(GN) ?(nah not for me) a V2 (already got one) , (another) A4....
A P1 ?.... mmmm now wouldnt that be something....