SVR Loco Newsy News / discussions

No wheel size is important & doubly so when considering lines with considerable curvature & flange/rail angle of contact becomes a consideration. The haulage point has been amply demonstrated by 2968. We are not talking about whether or not a loco will run - we are talking about what is preferable (in terms of hauling trains v economy & track wear).

 

The SVR website have today announced the withdrawal of 46443. The full article goes like this:

LMS locomotive No. 46443 has been withdrawn from traffic pending general overhaul due to severe corrosion of the steam pipe seating face on the super heater header which is causing leakage.
To effect a satisfactory repair it would require the superheater header removed and for this then to be machined. This course of action is not thought to be economically viable as the boiler is already into an extension of its boiler certificate.
The general run down condition of the locomotive is also an important factor.

No. 46443 has been a very useful perrformer for the SVR and we look forward to seeing this locomotive back into traffic in the not too distant future.

A shame, but the future looks bright for the Mickey.
Henners

 

That's a pity. 46443 did a cracking job on the 07.38 from Kidderminster at the gala last week.

Here's a picture to remember her by while she's out of action

 

46443 was one of my favourite engines...hopefully she'll be back soon!

One of her best performances, in my opinion, was last weekend's morning run on the Teaks as mentioned above...coming through Eardington was amazing! I've put together a compilation of video clips showing her last few years in traffic, including the Saturday morning run through Eardington as mentioned previously.

Enjoy....

[Youtube]sefyfBFAEPI[/Youtube]

Thanks,
Lewis

 

A reminder for this Sunday:

From Kidderminster

No. 828 - 12.45pm, 4.50pm

From Bridgnorth

No. 828 - 11.10am, 2.55pm


Patrick

 

For those wanting to visit the SVR:

Chiltern's "Go Further" offer, giving a day's unlimited travel for just £10 per person, is running again on the weekends of the 8th/9th, 15th/16th and 29th/30th of October.

The voucher will also entitle you to free parking at any Chiltern station on the day in question too.

Just 2500 vouchers are available per day, and you can apply for one at
http://www.chilternrailways.co.uk/gofurther


From London Midland web site.....

"The Great Escape is back – and it’s bigger and better than ever!


Simply travel off-peak* between 22 October and 6 November and go
anywhere on London Midland trains for just £10 – or treat yourself to
first class for just £10 more.


Visit as many or as few places as you like – the price covers your
travel all day.


Thousands of Great Escape tickets are available on each day of the
promotion, but you need to be quick - once they're gone, they're gone!
To qualify, you’ll need to download your special voucher and bring
this with you to any staffed station on the London Midland network so
that we know which day you’re travelling and how many tickets you’re
entitled to buy."


(At time of posting, there is voucher availability for all dates)


"Great Escape tickets can be used all day at weekends or after 0930 on
weekdays, although no restrictions apply within the Network West
Midlands zones 1-5 or on southbound journeys between Liverpool and
Crewe on any day. If you're travelling to London from stations north
of Rugby, you can also use the 0833 Crewe-Euston train. Customers from
Rugby (0904), Nuneaton (0917) and Atherstone (0923) can also travel on
the train that arrives into Crewe at 1038.


If you are travelling from London Euston between 1600 - 1900 in the
week, you will need to pay a supplement of £5 per person (£2.50 child)
before boarding the train unless you have a 1st class ticket which has
no evening restrictions. This supplement will be available from ticket
offices when you buy your ticket, at the London Midland/ Virgin Trains
ticket offices at Euston before you catch your train home or from the
conductor on your train to London."


More details, including a link to get a voucher, are here:


http://www.londonmidland.com/tickets-and-fares/great-escape/

Patrick

 

what will be doing footplate experiance now i dont know if svr one of 3 bases offerred to 72010 project there is a logic if it was not as hungry as 9F

 

I think the panda from the svra forum is needed here. There is a serious lack of space anywhere on SVR. 82045 is already at Bridgnorth. Having another new build would, I think be a detriment to both projects.

 

42968 has in the past undertaken footplate experience courses and next week it and 7812 are both so employed.

On Sunday Train CN1: 11.10 & 2.55 ex-Bridgnorth & 12.45 & 4.50 ex-Kidderminster is hauled by 4566 & 828 (SVR website)

Patrick

P.S. I would fear for the Panda's blood pressure

 

Not to mention the fact that a Clan is not really the type of loco required for future heritage line everyday use.

 

Maybe the major issue could be changed for some people if they put gwr on the tender.I assume the railway expects to carry on with the same loading and train size in the future and i assume 82045 will be limited to 7 at most.
The arrival of the loco does not solve the problem of the weekend peak s trains of 8 and more that the railway runs on many weekends.
The railway wants the income from high passenger numbers then you need longer trains and from that you need larger locos 4mt and above in which you need variety because enthuisiast are not going to come to see 4 28 xx.
The clan will i assume use around as much coal as a black5 or stardard 5 which is the size of loco some people been called for on here i do thing the mos likey location for the clan is the great central but you never know.

 

The SVR have reduced the size of trains in the last 12 months. The standard set I believe will become 5 coaches. Brake, TSO, Disabled vehicle, CK, RMB. The extra coaches can be added if the need arises. This season, including the 4 weeks I have been over there. Most if not all trains midweek have either been 6 or 7 coaches with an 8th added if needed. 82045 when finished will be working the same duties as 5164. A loco that only recently has started to struggle due to being totally worn out having been the only loco along with 7812 to work all through the season.

 

Pre-Summer holidays, the trains were 6 coaches midweek. During the summer holiday, this was increased to 8, and the only shorting to happen was if a loco which was limited to 6 ie 46443 or 4566 was used (7 if it was more convient to them as so, especially if it was the BH set) . While a full 8 was only sometimes full, a 6 was quite often packed.

 

The SVR has 28 steam locos (including the two new builds) of which 20 are class 4 and above. A lightweight pacific would not in itself be a problem, because it has one (34027). It's a GWR line and due to Barry there are a greater number of ex-GWR or GWR-design locos in preservation: the GW stud of 14 is not therefore surprising, but there are as many non-GW locos including LMS and BR-types.

The SVR needs to get more engines running, something it is trying to address at the moment. More volunteer labour would assist!

Patrick

 

To all intents and purposes the BR3 tank was the equivalent of the GW large prairie and these engines were regularly seen elsewhere hauling eight coaches. I would imagine therefore that the new engine would do everything the SVR would want of it.

On the sub-topic of the number of engines the railway needs, can't it afford to get a loco overhauled by an outside company?

Regards

 

Tractive Effort of a Std 3 tank is 21,460lb. Tractive effort of a small prairie (4500/4575 Class) is 21,250lb. Tractive effort of the 200 psi boiler pressure large prairie (41XX & 51XX) is 24,300lb. Tractive effort of the 225psi large prairie (61XX) is 27,340lb. So a Class 3 is very similar to a small prairie in what it is capable of pulling.

 

The SVR has been borrowing money for Civil Engineering and PWay repairs, but I understand the SVR is looking in the short term to contract out some locomotive overhaul and might hire in locomotives. In addition to more volunteers it is looking at increasing overhauls from Bridgnorth works. The Erlestoke Manor Fund’s newsletter refers to 7802’s mechanical overhaul going to Tysley and discussions between SVR and owners about changing rolling stock agreements

*Note: I'm not involved in the management and I don't speak for the SVR

Patrick

 

But std tank, according to the SVR guys on here, tractive effort is irrelevant. it is simply down to wheel size. The 5'-3" of a Std 3 will beat the 5'-8" of a 61XX, hands down.

 

That is rather over simplifying things Steve, Tractive effort is a measure of how much force and Engine can exert to start a train, drawbar horsepower is the real issue, yes the class three tank will not be as strong as the 51xx which is a class 4, but she may be up to 7 and 8 coach loadings.

 

Sorry if this seems to be a troll, but ... the GWR Prairies didn't come out too well from the change in calculating tractive effort that the new BR regime brought in and Stuart Cox in his 'Locomotive Panorama' says that the Western Region had a concession to describe the Large Prairie as a Class 4. As much as I respect 'std tank' for his contributions to these forums, I'm not so sure that he is comparing like-for-like in his quotations of the BR and GW 2-6-2T engine's tractive efforts.

I really think that the BR3T will have no difficulty in pulling seven to eight BR Mk1 coaches. The BR built series didn't, so why should the new one have a problem?

Regards