Pechot-Bourdon

Hi all,

Just come across a GA and a modeling article for these locos (which look very nice) but can anyone point me in a direction where I can obtain some more information about them beside on the Web, Thanks.

Regards

Lynbarn

 

The last chapter (4 pages) of "The Fairlie Locomotive", Rowland A S Abbott, pub. David & Charles 1970, ISBN 0 7153 4902 3, is entitled The Péchot-Bourdon Locomotive 1888-1921 and has 3 photos and a GA.
I have never come across any other publication but I hope someone on here will prove me wrong.

Ian

 

Go to http://www.abebooks.co.uk and search for Péchot-Bourdon as a keyword, there seem to be a couple of French language books that might help?

 

Thanks Guys, just found a source for some plans, didn't realise some where built in the UK for the 1st World War effort, by the North British Loco Works.

 

& a load more we're built by Baldwin.....

Cheers,
Gareth

 

Sad there are only two left in the World, and no I am not proposing to build one just yet as I don't have enough information about them, it would be interesting to see how much difference there would be between one of these and an FR built Fairlie.

 

“& a load more we're built by Baldwin.....”

Of the P-B locos built there appear to have been:

52 for the Toul fortified zone and at Belfort, Epinal & Verdun

No.1 “France”, from works plate shape, was probably built by Decauville Aisne, 1888.
39 from Ets Cail -19 in 1888, 4 in 1892/3 & 16 in 1906
12 from Fives-Lille in 1889/90

On the outbreak of war in 1914, a French deputation visited USA and as a result ordered 1000 steam & i/c locos of various gauges from Baldwin.
The order for 280 P-Bs was placed on 1 Feb 1915 and the first 100 had been shipped across the Atlantic by 24 April!! The balance of 180 were shipped during 1915 & 1916.
Nineteen locos were sent to Algeria without entering service on the Western Front.

“didn't realise some where built in the UK for the 1st World War effort, by the North British Loco Works.”

15 were built at Atlas Works of NBL in 1915.
Baldwin also built one loco for the Japanese Govt in 1921 (one authority claims 1919). It was intended to use it for copying and improving but there doesn’t appear to be any further info regarding this project. (unless you know anything different)

Ian

 

Hi Ian and all,

According to the plan I have, it states that in 1916 100 Péchot-Bourdon’s where ordered from NBL, but as we all know that does not mean 100 where delivered. I am awaiting some more information from the holders of the NBL files to tell me more.

I understand that since I started this thread I have had one or two enquiries about where is this going to lead? All I can say at the moment is it would be a nice to have loco but anything more than that and we would need to consider if we could raise £500,000 for the project first of all.

I don’t know how much a loco like this would cost, as I can only go on how much it cost to build LYD.

If I can just get the information together so that at some stage some one else could build one so be it.

 

Both remaining examples were Baldwin built.
Cheers,

 

It could be that they were worried about the balance of the Baldwin order not arriving. By 1916 there was quite a U-boat problem. As it turns out the Baldwin order was completed so the balance of the NBL order was not required...??

Ian

 

I just came across this remarkable piece of French WWI narrow gauge film with footage of several Pechot-Bourdon Locos.
Hope this helps
Ray

http://www.ecpad.fr/les-petits-trains-d ... e-guerre-2

 

Oops try
http://www.ecpad.fr/les-petits-trains-de-la-grande-guerre-2

 

Saw the one in Dresden Verkerhsmuseum back in '95 but it was not easy to photograph.

 

I visited the other example preserved at Pozega in Serbia a couple of years back. At the time they were talking about moving the loco and restoring it to run on a 600mm line that was being developed near to the Sargan 8 line at Mokra Gora but I've no idea if that came to fruition. They already had a matching Pechot Bourdon well wagon restored with more awaiting attention. Main thing that struck me was how tiny they were compared with a FR example.

"La Voie de 60 Miltaire de la Guerre de 14-16 en France" by Christian Cenac contains some excellent 1:35 drawings and useful information although its a bit of a second mortgage job if you can find a copy!
Its a loco I've always fancied building in 16mm scale live steam but all that valve gear puts me off....

Chris Webster

 

The FR's response to the U-boat problem was to use bits of them to reinforce Garnedd Tunnel.

 

The Pozega Pechot-Bourdon loco (Baldwin 41162/1916) "Kostolac" is still at Pozega along with the other facinating items of rolling stock, I saw the collection earlier this year. The locomotive is kepted in an open sided building but the locomotive is complete.

There are indeed still plans for moving the extensive Pozega collection (mostly 760mm gauge) to both the 760mm and 600mm lines near Morka Gora.

Kostolac was one of two locos brought to the Kostolac coal mine in Serbia by the Germans in 1941. One was scrapped in 1948 but the other set aside for preservation in 1950 (!) and after long periods in store in Belgrade and Vrdnik is finally reached Pozega. Interestingly the Serbians refer to it as a Fairlie locomotive.

Zoran Veresic (Chairman of the Royal Railway Society, Serbia) has written an impressive book "Steam in Serbia 1882-2007" (in english) on the surviving Serbian steam locos, which I do recommend.

 

Sorry to write about such old stuff, but I only found this yesterday. How did you identify the Pozega Pechot-Bourdon as 41162, or what source did you get the number from? I ask because the number is definitely wrong, Baldwin 41162 was a metre gauge 2-4-0 for Brazil. The first Pechot Bourdon was 41937. I have tentatively identified the Pechot Bourdon in Dresden Transport Museum as 43980, but couldn't find any identification on the Pozega loco when I was there in 2007. The visit was very rushed, it was getting dark, and the loco is not in the smartest condition.

MM

 

The site below identifies the Dresden example as No 215 , 43367/1916 and The Pozega example as No.101 , 41983/1915.
Can't vouch for its accuracy but well worth a look if you want to trace the location of other WW1 survivors.

I did an extensive photographic survey of the Dresden example earlier this year, much to the bemusement of other visitors, and its on the "one day" project list for a 16mm model!

http://www.heeresfeldbahn.de/lokomotiven/frankreich/pecht-bourdon/index.php

 

I visited Pozega in 2014, and 26 photos can be seen here including two of the Pechot-Bourdon:

https://andrewstransport.smugmug.com/Yugoslav-trains/Serbia-Posega-railway-museum/

Cheers

Andrew N