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Statistics for Steam on the Mainline in 2011

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  1. ADB968008

    ADB968008 Guest

    Given various comments I thought I would cobble together some statistics using UK Steam Info's website as a resource:
    I take no responsibility for accuracy.. it is purely a fun exercise using cut / paste / filter / search on the site.


    [TABLE="width: 200"]
    [TR]
    [TD]401 trips advertised last year[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]179 Jacobites[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]total 580 mainline trips[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]
    22 Double headers[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]43 substitute locomotives[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]34 revised routing / times[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]43 Canceled[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]27 Postponed[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]5 ran as a diesel[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]8 Locomotives failed[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]

    (note that multiple combinations of the above may have affected the same tour (i.e. postponement, loco unavailable and cancelation of the same trip are listed separately)).
     
    ADB968008, 11. Siječanj 2012.
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  2. ADB968008

    ADB968008 Guest

    Here's some more bored on a wednesday afternoon quick fag packet stats...

    London featured in 142 tours.... 48 of the them London Victoria. (Paddington with 13)
    York featured in 60 tours
    Bristol featured in 50 tours.
    Manchester featured in 23 tours... Black 5's featured in 7 of them.
    Edinburgh featured in 7 tours
    Newcastle featured in 4 tours

    70000, 70013 and 71000 featured as first choice in 61 tours
    60163 featured as first choice in 29 tours,
    60019 featured as first choice in 23 tours,
    5043 as 1st choice on 13 tours
    5029 as 1st choice on 13 tours
    Black fives listed as 1st choice on 76 tours
    35028 as 1st choice on 24 tours (23 from Victoria, 1 from Waterloo)
    34067 as 1st choice on 39 tours


    (by 1st choice I mean.. 1st locomotive on the list, usually turns gray text on the website if it doesnt run the trip, includes double headers..)

    Least used locomotives.. 5972, 62005 and 9600 (listed as 1st choice for 1 tour each), (7752 as 2 tours).


    Didn't make the starting gate... 4472 and 46100 (2 tours each), 34046 (4 tours).


    Widely travelled... Black 5s are listed from Inverness, Mallaig, Camarthen, Shrewsbury, Shap, Buxton, York, Sheffield, Carnforth, London, Salisbury, Dover...
     
    ADB968008, 11. Siječanj 2012.
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  3. mike1522

    mike1522 Long Time Member Friend

    Pridružen(a):
    9. Listopad 2010.
    Poruka:
    2,002
    Lajkova:
    237
    Grad:
    Fort Worth, Texas
    I really like your stats quite a bit. Add to the fact that several engines like 6233, 5690, 5699, 4472, 34046, 6023 and a couple others were in restoration, overhaul or being tested. Those numbers are quite impressive.

    I myself have done something very similar in terms of what has already been proposed for this year on a text document.
     
    mike1522, 11. Siječanj 2012.
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  4. acorb

    acorb Part of the furniture

    Pridružen(a):
    17. Srpanj 2007.
    Poruka:
    3,041
    Lajkova:
    4,578
    Grad:
    Powys
    Very interesting figures and certainly goes to show last year wasn't the disaster a lot of people would like to make out. Thanks for putting them together. Who would've have thought in 1968 that in 2011 there would be on average nearly 2 steam trains a day on the mainline.. Perhaps these figures should be emailed to Network rail?!!
     
    acorb, 16. Siječanj 2012.
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  5. 6136

    6136 Member

    Pridružen(a):
    7. Rujan 2007.
    Poruka:
    366
    Lajkova:
    40
    Let sleeping dogs lie. Perhaps they havn't noticed.
     
    6136, 17. Siječanj 2012.
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  6. guycarr360

    guycarr360 Part of the furniture

    Pridružen(a):
    4. Listopad 2005.
    Poruka:
    4,890
    Lajkova:
    3,196
    Spol:
    Muškarac
    Grad:
    Chester le Street County Durham


    You can make what you want out of statistics, here is a few more:-

    17-may-2011 The Borderer - No stop for passengers Newcastle
    15 Oct 2011 The Weardale - Ran as advertised
    26-Nov 2011 The Tynesider Cancelled
    3-Dec-2011 Lincoln Xmas Fayre - Cancelled

    Thats a fairer representation....
     
    guycarr360, 17. Siječanj 2012.
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  7. ADB968008

    ADB968008 Guest

    What's more notable is the Jacobite operation.

    for a period it was running more steam on a scheduled daily basis than Wolsztyn, with a similar sized fleet.
    6months operation, mostly 7 days a week, and at peak season 2 trains a day.

    I think it goes without saying that the UK as a nation (mainline and heritage) operates more steam than any other country.
     
    ADB968008, 17. Siječanj 2012.
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  8. Bulleid Pacific

    Bulleid Pacific Part of the furniture

    Pridružen(a):
    14. Travanj 2007.
    Poruka:
    4,034
    Lajkova:
    1,104
    Interesi:
    A Thingy...
    According to UK Steam Info, 34067 managed to start 37 tours (including failures that occurred during the trip). In other words, notwithstanding the teething troubles of 2011, it looks like she's starting to return to her old form, picking up where other locomotives leave off. And that bulk of tours was done on the quiet! 70013 managed 28 (after splitting the Shepherd Neame tours into two separate concerns: London-Faversham, Faversham-Sheerness). 35028 started 20 after a particularly busy December on the VSOEs.
     
    Bulleid Pacific, 17. Siječanj 2012.
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  9. 46223

    46223 Resident of Nat Pres Friend

    Pridružen(a):
    10. Travanj 2011.
    Poruka:
    6,746
    Lajkova:
    6,409
    Spol:
    Muškarac
    Grad:
    Lancs
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    And long may it continue!!
     
    46223, 17. Siječanj 2012.
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  10. mike1522

    mike1522 Long Time Member Friend

    Pridružen(a):
    9. Listopad 2010.
    Poruka:
    2,002
    Lajkova:
    237
    Grad:
    Fort Worth, Texas
    34067 and 70013 seem to have huge schedules for this year as well. So far 34067 has 17 trips before her summer duties begin and 70013 has 16 trips not including Summer Duties out of Crewe.
     
    mike1522, 17. Siječanj 2012.
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  11. RalphW

    RalphW Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Administrator Friend

    Pridružen(a):
    11. Rujan 2005.
    Poruka:
    36,609
    Lajkova:
    10,009
    Spol:
    Muškarac
    Interesi:
    Retired-ish, Part time rail tour steward.
    Grad:
    Northwich
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Now there's a thought, put two paying punters on the footplate and earn at least £200 from each for the round trip. I'm sure there would be one or two takers, or even one or two hundred......

    Where do we sign up?
     
    RalphW, 18. Siječanj 2012.
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  12. malc

    malc Part of the furniture

    Pridružen(a):
    28. Lipanj 2005.
    Poruka:
    2,488
    Lajkova:
    334
    Assuming that Mr Riley is supplying a loco or two for The Jacobites again, I'm sure he would be ecstatic at the thought of a couple of amateurs playing with his locos on Beasdale Bank.
     
    malc, 18. Siječanj 2012.
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  13. RalphW

    RalphW Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Administrator Friend

    Pridružen(a):
    11. Rujan 2005.
    Poruka:
    36,609
    Lajkova:
    10,009
    Spol:
    Muškarac
    Interesi:
    Retired-ish, Part time rail tour steward.
    Grad:
    Northwich
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Come on malc, amateurs drive on experience courses on heritage lines all the time, the regular crew are there in charge and would not let anything happen that they themselves would not do, and on places like Beasdale they could actualy be at the controls.
    It works at Wolsztyn.
     
    RalphW, 19. Siječanj 2012.
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  14. guycarr360

    guycarr360 Part of the furniture

    Pridružen(a):
    4. Listopad 2005.
    Poruka:
    4,890
    Lajkova:
    3,196
    Spol:
    Muškarac
    Grad:
    Chester le Street County Durham
    Reading this i think its April 1st...

    You really think WCRC, Network Rail, and a loco rep is going to allow this.

    Its one thing sitting on a firemans seat, another doing what you suggest.

    As if their is not enough problems, with out this idea....
     
    guycarr360, 19. Siječanj 2012.
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  15. ilvaporista

    ilvaporista Part of the furniture

    Pridružen(a):
    16. Siječanj 2006.
    Poruka:
    4,356
    Lajkova:
    5,456
    Spol:
    Muškarac
    Interesi:
    C.Eng
    Grad:
    On the 45th!
    And with a train load of paying passengers behind, the insurance boys would have a field day working out the premium for that. Having said that it is possible today to buy your way on to the footplate but it will be a bit more than 200 notes. If you have enough time and cash you can even buy your way in to the right hand seat of a passenger carrying jet, you get the chance to pay someone to let you fly their plane.
     
    ilvaporista, 19. Siječanj 2012.
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  16. RalphW

    RalphW Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Administrator Friend

    Pridružen(a):
    11. Rujan 2005.
    Poruka:
    36,609
    Lajkova:
    10,009
    Spol:
    Muškarac
    Interesi:
    Retired-ish, Part time rail tour steward.
    Grad:
    Northwich
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    It's part of the UK mindset, can't do it, I've travelled on footplates in Europe, South Africa and South America on railtours/photo charters and in each case have been allowed at the controls.
     
    RalphW, 19. Siječanj 2012.
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  17. guycarr360

    guycarr360 Part of the furniture

    Pridružen(a):
    4. Listopad 2005.
    Poruka:
    4,890
    Lajkova:
    3,196
    Spol:
    Muškarac
    Grad:
    Chester le Street County Durham
    Im beginning to think this is a wind up.

    Maybe approach James Shuttleworth, and ask for his response.

    Im sure it will be 2 words, one being off!!!!!
     
    guycarr360, 19. Siječanj 2012.
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  18. RalphW

    RalphW Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Administrator Friend

    Pridružen(a):
    11. Rujan 2005.
    Poruka:
    36,609
    Lajkova:
    10,009
    Spol:
    Muškarac
    Interesi:
    Retired-ish, Part time rail tour steward.
    Grad:
    Northwich
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Wind up doesn't come into it.
    Fact, other countries allow it to happen as I've been there and done it, but yes, very unlikely in the UK.

    Howard Jones from the Wolsztyn Experience has been trying for years to get a UK main line loco over there, he knows he could sell high speed driving/firing experiences on a UK loco, and the Polish railways would let him do it.

    Original post was a what if....
     
    RalphW, 19. Siječanj 2012.
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  19. hatherton hall

    hatherton hall Well-Known Member

    Pridružen(a):
    27. Svibanj 2007.
    Poruka:
    1,068
    Lajkova:
    351
    I speak not with direct knowledge but it's just a hunch.

    I suspect that since mainline steam preservation in 1971 there will have been more than one occasion when the support crew member will have "had a go" with the approval of the driver and inspector. It is totally inconceivable that this has NEVER happened.

    I did a driver training course at Tyseley (7029) and at the Great Central (78019?). Under supervision, I handled both locos very well and in the case of the Great Central the instructor congratulated me on measured control of the regulator from stops and was sure I used to drive on the mainline!!

    I really did feel very proud and at the same time "this is all a piece of cake".

    So if amateur drivers did and still do have a go on the mainline, then no one will be very surprised. Let's agree that "Mum's the word" as no one will ever own up to it anyway I guess!!

    Nick
     
    hatherton hall, 19. Siječanj 2012.
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  20. ADB968008

    ADB968008 Guest

    It's lesser known but you can pay and play of the Budapest - Bratislava mainline with steam as well.

    I got to have a go on 109.109 years ago, 2 hours for £20, high speed running, price has gone up but the footplate is still open.
     
    ADB968008, 19. Siječanj 2012.
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