LMS Patriot Project Updates

If the Unknown Warrior on the home page was in written text and not solely as an image (nameplate), then I believe the search engines will pick the name up.

Creating the new Royal British Legion Endorsed National Memorial Engine

 

Yes. Before rumors get around, as today a chap came up to the sales stand at llangollen and told us that he had been at svr looking at 82045 and someone told him we would need 3 new wheels. Which is incorrect.

So the actual story is that the keyways in three wheels were located in the wrong position. They have been bored out then welded up and Will be re machined and keyways put in the correct position. Then those wheels Will return to devon for the wheelsets to be completed.

 

Many people have mentioned the website for different reasons. I have been fighting for months for it to be improved and have been told this Will be done soon. I suggest if you have ideas please send them to the official email. This way other people may see I'm not the only person that think it needs improving. It was fine as an early website while we were getting off the ground. But now were getting bigger we need a more professionally produced website.

Cheers Gavin

 

I'll do that, if you don't think that you copying my comments above and saying 'look at what someone on NatPres said' mightn't be more effective?

 

Was the mistake on the drawing or by the machinist? Hardly a trivial error more like a ocean going cock-up. I do hope someone gets a b*ll*cking for that. I guess you had to get the VAB to accept that on the basis that the welding was carried out by a coded welder. Let's hope they done the repair correctly. I guess loosing a wheel at any sort of speed would be "character building".

 

Could you clarify this please? Are you saying that the centre of the wheels will be bored to remove the incorrectly placed keyways and then a bush will be welded in and another keyway cut? I'd be most surprised if that would be acceptable for mainline running.

Regards

 

I'm not an engineer but the guys who are sorting out the wheels have been talking to the vab and making sure what they do is 100% ok. Ill ask for a written confirmation about the wheels so as to make sure its correct.

Gav

 

LMS Patriot Project Blogsite updated and its great to see an original Patriot part going back on. So the question is.......... does this make it a re build rather than "New build"?

 

I think that all depends on what you would call Taliesin...

 

Well No. 60163 has an original whistle but I don't think you'd call that a re-build! :tongue:

The deciding factor must be the frames, "Lady of Legend" is a re-build, albeit a drastic one, but the Patriot, 47XX and so on (even with "second-hand" tenders) must be considered new because they have new frames. No?

Foxy

 

I would think so otherwise what are they 're-building'?

 

Sorry guys it was meant as a joke. we in the project were joking that if we were able to use the original part we could get heritage lottery funding. haha if only......

 

I think it's basically subjective and will differ from individual to individual on what's a rebuild or new build, but I'd go with the Frames notion.

 

With the County 1014 frames that's a modified, Modified Hall !!

 

Depends what you mean by quickly. It was withdrawn after Crewe had stopped doing boiler changes on the class, so it may have just missed out on one. The interval between general repairs was typically 3 or 4 years for the class, but you don't say when the last one was. Most were withdrawn as outside the programme of repairs, which was the case for 45004. Which means in practice that it was proposed for shopping and someone then surveyed the engine to estimate cost of repairs. If that exceeded a certain figure (which was gradually reduced as the run down progressed) then the locomotive was condemned. The same procedure followed an accident, and the records usually don't give any clue whether that was the case. Shopping proposals were normally produced by the locomotives home shed. Either due to mechanical condition, or following a boiler inspectors report. Sometimes an engine would be stopped immediately if the boiler inspector didn't like what he found.

 

I haven't seen said caption, or know what issue/page you're reading.

According to the records 45004 was withdrawn in the last week of September 1966. By that time HG repairs on the class had long ceased. Up until that summer they were still doing Intermediates with boiler changes. It's possible that's what the engine had received and then become involved in a mishap of some kind.

 

For those of you who don't know, in two weeks time at Crewe heritage the LMS patriot project are having the official boiler launch. This is to raise the half a million to complete the biggest missing part of the locomotive. The copper appeal was launched back in January to raise 75k, and at the moment this is sitting just short of 15k. It was decided that because the boiler is such a vast amount of money to launch it earlier rather than later. All monthly donations and other donations not saying boiler appeal Will continue to go towards to rolling chassis, motion and cylinders. At the moment we have 60% of the motion which we have bought. And we have received a grant of 16k to fund its restoration. The missing blanks have also been ordered so that we Will be in possession of all our motion. It has then been decided that we Will focus on getting the bogie truck built next, to complete the 4-6-0.

 

Any update on the situation with regard to the driving wheels?