BR Standard class 6 No. 72010 'Hengist' and Clan Discussion Thread

I'm unsure why you suggest the SVR have "missed out". Although the SVR is in need of motive power I'm not speaking out of turn by saying it's going to be a fair few years before 72010 is ready for traffic.
Other things you should consider are the sheer lack of space at Bridgnorth. If there was a surplus of covered space do you think 82045 would be outdoors? A final point you should consider, and a point very close to my own interest, is the prospect of two new builds competing for funds on the same line.
In saying that: I truely offer the Hengist team my best wishes and congratulate them on finding a home, possibly the best thing that could happen to the project.

 

True, but they have 10 less than the SVR, and that was not the only point I made. I'm not trying to do down Hengist at all, I just question Ruston906's assertion that the SVR has 'missed out'.

 

It was the other way around. They'd already been asked to move circa 2005,and around 2007 a week or two before they were due to go, the burglary took place.

There are a couple of posts towards the end of this thread which make interesting reading;

http://railways.national-preservation.com/steam-traction/12756-35011-gsn-restored-20.html

 

Hmmm. Familiar story, really. Seems to happen every now and again. Can't remember reading that part of the thread, either.

 

Sorry Guard Jamie, my assertion was that Brockleback was a 'real and present' Lump and that Hengist will not be that for a couple of years at the earliest, and will only move to the GCR when the GCR are ready for her. Maybe they would welcome Brocklebank back at the same time ? i really dont know...

 

Having not really paid much attention to 'Hengist' until it was announced she would be coming to the GCR. I was looking at the website today and was pleasantly surprised how much kit is actually in existence waiting for the assembly nod! Good luck guys from a future supporter.

Edit, from the website:
[h=3]Held in Store[/h]

• Boiler/Cylinders
• Silvertown Lubricators, working
• Return crank (eccentric rod) ball bearing races, new
• Return crank covers, washers, leather seals, ready to fit
• Reverser shaft and universal joints, ready to fit
• Incomplete set of original valve slide bars
• Cylinder drain cock castings
• Atomisers, machined ready to fit
• Front cylinder cover castings, require machining.
• Main steam manifold complete and ready to fit
• Maximum boiler pressure plate, original
• Water gauge pedestals originals
• Water gauge frames and protectors originals
• Top feed clack valves un-machined
• One un-machined safety valve body
• Fire-hole door handle forgings un-machined
• Back head cladding in progress
• Boiler pressure gauge new ready to fit
• Steam brake bracket ready to fit
• Injector steam feed control brackets ready to fit
• Pair of fire hole doors
• Original firing flap, kindly donated by 6695 Locomotive Group
• Fire-hole doors, raw castings
• One (need a pair) standard rocking mechanism which may or may not be correct require drawing to compare.
• Smokebox
• Complete smokebox ring and door assembly ready to fit This is the second smokebox door the original is on 73096 which needed a new one in a hurry for a main line run.
• Chimney casting
• Complete original dart ex 9F
• Locking bar
• Large ejector
• Smokebox barrel
• Sacraficial plate
• Items of self cleaning gear
• Three chime whistle, whistle valve and bracket (whistle valve ex Britannia 70028)
• Hand rail knobs
• Set of stainless steel ejector nozzles, ready to fit
• Regulator access cover
• Regulator stuffing box outer casting
• Smoke deflectors
• Pair of nameplates
• Smoke deflector handrails
• Running plate
• Lance Cock, bracket and flanged supply tail
• Blower elbow, in store, complete and ready to fit, supplied by Phil Oldfield
• Frames
• Main frames with horn guides welded in place, all machined, ready to erect
• Horizontal stretchers
• Some intermediate vertical stretchers
• Front buffer beam, drag box, and draw gear
• Pair of round and a pair of oval buffers
• Front steps
• Front apron and foot-plating
• All grease boxes
• Rear Drag beam and associated water and brake system brackets
• Lamp irons
• Rear main frame extensions machined ready to erect
• Sand boxes
• Sand traps and ejectors
• Steam Heat valve and bag
• Vacuum bag and dolly
• Draw hook
• Coupling
• Bogie bearing pad brackets unmachined
• Pin jointed cross stay brackets unmachined
• Tender
• Tender front steps
• Water feed hose nuts, un-machined
• Sieve box flanges
• Brake pins
• Steam heat valve and bag
• Vacuum bag
• Steam brake hose
• Pair of round head buffers
• Draw hook
• Screw coupling links
• Original tank filler warning plate
• Bogie/Truck
• Plate frames
• Side play spring perches, un-machined
• Life guards
• Bogie stays, un-machined
• Bronze bearing plates
• Timken axle box covers for trailing truck
• Cab/Fittings
• Cab steel floor structure
• Cab side sheets and roof
• Roof shutters
• Spectacle plates
• Cab window runners machined and ready to fit
• Cab seats
• Arm rests padding and folding bracket
• Cut off indicator support bracket
• Cab grab rails
• Complete water feed machanism except for valves
• Cylinder drain actuating lever and rod
• Drivers control column
• Blower valve machined and ready to fit, supplied by Phil Oldfield
• Sanding valve machined and ready to fit
• Vacuum brake valve machined by Phil Oldfield now ready to fit
• Steam brake lubricator machined and ready to fit, supplied by Hugh Phillips
• Klinger valve machined and ready to fit (supplied by Klinger)
• Oil can tray
• Graduable steam brake valve
• Whistle handles
• Wooden floor
• AWS Bell
• Driver's control box (ex A3 60080 Dick Turpin)
• Boiler pressure gauge new ready to fit
• Steam chest pressure gauge new ready to fit
• Vacuum gauge ready to fit
• Duplex valve machined and ready to fit
• All steam cock handles machined and ready to fit
• All steam cock spindles machined and ready to fit
• Injector steam delivery valves machined and ready to fit
• Injector overflow valve machined and ready to fit
• Vacuum release button machined and ready to fit
• Pepperpot valve machined and ready to fit, supplied by Phil Oldfield
• Steam heat valve un-machined
• Speedometer (original ex Black 5 donated from private collection)
• Steam brake bracket
• Speedometer bracket
• Driver's gauge cluster bracket
• Fireman's gauge cluster bracket
• Regulator handle grip
• Sprinkler valve un-machined
• Correct low profile rivets
• Damper control handles, yokes and rods complete ready to fit
• Side 'squint' windows and brackets, machined, complete (require glass), ready to fit
• At present cab is assembled but all fittings and small details have been removed.
• Brakes
• Complete set B.R. number one brake blocks (new unused originals)
• Tender brake pins, complete, machined and ready to fit
• Cast steel brake hanger brackets, complete, machined and ready to fit
• Brake beam end bearing caps, raw castings, to be machined
• [h=3]Patterns Held[/h]
  • Chimney
  • Ejector elbow
  • Ejector drain tee
  • Regulator stuffing box
  • Horn Guide
  • Brake hanger bracket
  • Bogie bearing pad brackets patterns
  • Pin jointed cross stay bracket
  • Bogie Wheel patterns
  • Bearing pad pattern
  [h=3]On Order[/h]
  • Filling in plates
  • Ejector elbow casting
  • Ejector drain tee piece casting
  • Boiler support bracket patterns and castings
  • Six Brake hanger bracket castings

 

Very good news this - not far from me, unlike the Tornado build, so will be keep a keen eye on progress. Good luck fellahs.

 

The main reason i said they missed out is the extra numbers it will bring on to the trains if it has half the affect on numbers that tornado does.
Also it would add variety to the loco fleet and will also be more than comfortable with the longer trains run at weekend i doubt that the 82045 group want there new loco thrashed up and down on 9 coaches.
As a new loco it should prove less of a maintenance problem and with a well organised group behind it all further overhauls will have a good contribution from the owning group.
There are comments that the SVR needs a working fleet of 10 locos to operate there service i think the total number of locos on the line is at present 28 so that would be over a third in operation.

 

I think you'll find that it was the other way around. The components were stolen two or three weeks before they due to be transported away. Apparently, the insurance company didn't pay out because they were suspicious about the timing, and because the GCR did not report the theft or tell the owning group for several days after the break-in was discovered. The theft involved almost every component of value and ran well into six figures, so the insurance company decided that it was fraudulent.

 

Didn't the owning group at the time also go to great lengths to hide high value items in their storage? Which made their theft even more odd / suspicious?

Do you know how they are progressing? Did they ever recover from the theft?

 

Sadly, I don't think that that would be the case. Tornado was the first and carried an awful lot of appeal because of that. Just look at the way the media has covered the Olympic torch relay - the SVR as the first steam railway carrying it (and with the help of those elephants) got international press coverage. By comparison, the cover of heritage railways carrying it since then has been weak from what I can see. What's more Tornado has a snazzy name and a very switched on marketing man for chairman.

So would any locomotive class you care to name of which there is not an example currently on the SVR.

45110, 48773, 600, 4930, 34027, 2857...need I go on? We've got plenty of locos awaiting overhaul that fall into the 'romp away with whatever you stick behind them' category. And that's before you take into account the middling locos that are quite capable.

True, I'll concede that point. But there are plenty of excellently managed groups on the SVR already who are well involved with their charges overhauls.

And what's the problem with that? There are other railways that have a far higher percentage of their steam loco stock in regular service. We are lucky that we only need 33% to be fairly flush for operating locos.

 

What's suspicious about hiding high value items? I don't get that. That's what you would do.

I don't know the detail, but I've seen a list of what was taken. It was passed around at a meeting I was at a year or two later. There were enough parts to almost complete any ex-Barry MN. Whoever took them must have known what they were going for, and exactly where they were located. The sheer weight would have taken some shifting too.

 

Apologies, I should have worded it better. Nothing suspicious in hiding high value items, suspicious, the fact that the hidden high value items had been stolen, as you note in your reply;

 

I think the implication is that if they were hidden and only a few people knew where they were hidden, then it may have been an 'inside job'. As a disclaimer, I'm not making any point against any of the parties involved, merely following the hearsay to its conclusion, which could just as easily be wrong. Anyway, back to Hengist...

 

Yes BP, back to Hengist!

Folk may be interested that we have a new controller of our website now and it has been tweaked/improved to include Twitter and Facebook as well as being brought up to date.
I have been interested in the NewBuild thread about which new build will be finished first.
We are not in a hurry, looking to have a mainline available engine ready to celebrate 20 years since last Clan was destroyed. Remember, we are not using parts from any other engines so everything has to be made to suit the 'improved' drawings/specification for the Lot 242 order. Mind you, if someone has a few quid to donate it would certainly help us!

A lot is happening below the radar, honestly!

 

So, lets say i have £10 per month spare, and i want to give it to a loco group, the ones im thinking of are these, Hengist, 44901 if it goes to Toddington, LNWR King george fifth or 82045. why would i give it to Hengist?

On your build plan how long will it be till i can see a full set of frames? How much effort is the team putting into gaining new members? Ie are the sales team making the effort to push to places to raise their profile? That would show people they are NOT going away and are starting to re build all the lost momentum?

Cheers Gav
And i really do have £10 per month to give to a project

 

Getting a bit above yourself Gav. Stick to your Patriot.

 

I support the patriot as much as I can, but if I want to give £10 per month to another project I will.

 

Don't understand your post there. I support two loco's at £10/month and would support others if I could afford it.

 

Gav, my post was about the tone of your post, not where your £10 will go. Rome was not built in a day.