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Possible reopening of the Wye Valley Railway.

Discussion in 'Heritage Railways & Centres in the UK' started by wyevalleychap, Sep 22, 2009.

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  1. 46118

    46118 Part of the furniture

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    Hereford Hay & Brecon by any chance...?
     
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    Sidmouth Resident of Nat Pres Staff Member Moderator

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    AAAAAAA
     
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    XXXXX
     
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    RalphW Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Administrator Friend

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    There's no need to shout.
    I'm not quite sure how someone can take the *** out of what 'they' say, they might do it about what others say, and of course to remove them is censorship and ends the right to freedom of speech and expression.
    So start your own forum and good luck in your project.
     
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    thank you OPPOSER
     
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    RalphW Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Administrator Friend

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    It is not opposition, it is reasoned and critical debate, you will get nowhere if you cannot take it all into account.
     
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    two recent threads are perfect examples of how to , and how not to engage an audience for a new scheme

    the LNWR new build as promoted by Knotty seems to have engendered almost universal goodwill from what often are a highly sceptical Nat Pres audience

    and then this , with posts designed to alienate even the post enthusiastic supporter

    The difference is Knotty and team have a plan , are realistic in their ambition and don't attcak back when well founded fears are concerned

    Wyevalley . You get riled at the merest questioning of your project . Wait until you are doing grant applications , seeking Transport and works orders, applying for planning permission and trying to placate local residents who will doeverything to thwart your ambition . If you cannot cut here then the stress of the above will drive you to a heart attack
     
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    there is No support here just
    [h=3]Criticism[/h]
     
    wyevalleyrailway, Jun 24, 2012
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    Oh dear oh dear oh dear-the Wye Valley line could be so marvelously in situ again. I spent a school holiday in a hostel at LLandogo in 1968. I walked the line all the way to Monmouth and spent all the other days at Barry scrapyard. I took with me Railway World (the best for steam mag in those days) reading all about the last knockings at Rose Grove-a sad yet somewhat nostalgic time and so interlaced with that holiday.

    What is this guy doing?..he should be fighting his corner and approaching Sustrans from an intelligent angle not slagging them off-never mind buckling under from a bit of pressure from the good and the great on our favourite forum and letting them wind him up!

    It's a great pity that a railway revival movement quango can't be created and it acquire acres of track bed for a quid... but Mr Wye Valley Railway preservation bloke should realise this doesn't exist and neither do the millions of pounds that him and many on this forum keep going on about. You have to play the powers that be at their own game and tackle the whole thing piecemeal-that way, by comparison, it costs pence until you either eventually become part of the establishment or somebody backs you. What you don't do is invite yourself into mega financial commitment or complex hugely expensive offical land deals straight away-there's no point if you haven't got the means...you just chip, chip away spending a penny or two here and there until you succeed or you don't.

    So Mr Wye Valley Preservation Bloke please get your toys back in your pram,use your spell check and don't be phased by criticism on this forum.Get some backbone going to your project!
     
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    It would seem that you are jumping to the conclusion, wrongly, that members are finding fault with you ideas, when in actual fact they are just debating the pitfalls that you may come across, as per the quotes from the page you linked too.



    "To criticize does not necessarily imply "to find fault","

    "Criticism is often presented as something unpleasant, but it need not be. It could be friendly criticism, amicably discussed, and some people find great pleasure in criticism ("keeping people sharp", "providing the critical edge"). The     Pulitzer Prize for Criticism has been presented since 1970 to a newspaper writer who has demonstrated 'distinguished criticism'."

    "Criticism as an evaluative or corrective exercise can occur in any area of human life. Criticism can therefore take many different forms. How exactly people go about criticizing, can vary a great deal. In specific areas of human endeavour, the form of criticism can be highly specialized and technical; it often requires professional knowledge to understand the criticism."
     
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    I agree with you entirely Ralph-I was pointing out to the poster in question that he shouldn't give up in the face of criticism which I guess I failed to mention has so far on this forum been fair,constructive and polite.
     
    Austerity, Jun 24, 2012
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    Can't we just lock this thread and send this lunatic off to lord it over his Orwellian censored websites? It is rather tiresome to read through 'XXXXX' time and again.

    The poor chap clearly has a bee - possibly a hornet - in his bonnet over the line in question, which is lovely but a sensible and reasoned negotiator and conversationist he is not. With this chap involved, the project will not happen, whatever the pros and cons of reopening the Wye Valley line are, because he is alienating his most obvious supporters with frothy rantings against the merest hint of constructive criticism - or any other sort of criticism for that matter. No wonder Sustrans aren't writing back if this is the way he deals with people. What the government will make of his grant I do not know. Or at least I do, but there's no point saying because he won't listen.
     
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    Looks very like a web site, not a forum...
     
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    A couple of questions:

    What are the projected costs?
    Where is the funding coming from?
    Is there a need?
     
    Woodster21, Jun 25, 2012
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    there is a view given wyevalley's approach on this forum that the thread should be locked and this i have done for now

    please report this post if you would like the thread reopened for further discussion
     
    Sidmouth, Jun 25, 2012
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