8F

All will be revealed in due course, folks!!!! In the meantime, enjoy the mystery

I reckon Ian Riley has set up another restoration works there to take advantage of low labour costs and this is the first engine to go in..........

 

I suppose it could be, given what the caption on the 45166 picture says, that she is considered too far gone mechanically? Possibly the other one out in Turkey may actually be in a better state under the surface...

 

Heres what i think, Turkey is in essence a Muslem country, and most muslem countries do not openly trade with israel, but behind the scenes use middlemen, based in other countries, as do most of the Arab nations, so, in order to get round this, the engine is purchased by a uk owner, shipped to the uk, re sold onto the person who probally paid for it in the first place , then shipped from UK to Israel that way Turkey can say to its more hawkish neibours nothing to do with us, unlike if it has been shipped direct from Turkey to Israel even though its more direct
it goes on all the time

 

Turkish - Israeli relations aren't the best right now, didn't the Israelis board and shoot a number of Turks on a Palestinian bound ship recently.

Wonder if that will affect the 8f's level in the export permits in tray in Ankara for the other 8f's.

 

That was my reaction, if it is going to Israel, it has the potential to put some Turkish noses out of place.

 

I can't get my head around this. Why import a loco and then export it back out. With out doing any restoration work on it. Maybe we will find the answer in the next issue of SR or RM?

 

Did either of the 8Fs have buyers when they were brought over? I know the other one is now owned by Ian Storey, but had he agreed to buy it before it was imported or afterwards?

 

Does he?

 

Did either of the 8Fs have buyers when they were brought over? I know the other one is now owned by Ian Storey, but had he agreed to buy it before it was imported or afterwards?

I don't think it is, I think it is owned by Jonathan somepody (can't remember his surname) who is now co-owner of 44767 and a significant shareholder in 76084.

 

Ah sorry, my mistake.

 

One plausible possible answer is right up-thread, in posts #44/45. In the past, Turkey didn't have many problems dealing with Israel, and the two had fairly extensive trade, but their relations have taken a deep nose-dive since the blow-up over the attempt by Turkish activists to breach the sea blockade of Gaza, in which a number of activists were killed after they attacked Israelis boarding the ship.

Still, it's not a total block on trade, the way there is with some Arab/Islamic countries (there's even direct air service between the two, even after the Gaza thing, although IIRC there have been problems for Israelis getting visas, etc), so I don't know if the problems are bad enough to make the triangle trip necessary for the loco.

It's also possible that plans simply changed, something we've seen plenty of in the steam restoration world...

Noel

 

Not a correction, but to expand slightly. The United Nations report found that when Israeli commandos boarded the main ship, they faced “organized and violent resistance from a group of passengers” and were therefore required to use force for their own protection. But the report called the force “excessive and unreasonable,” saying that the loss of life was unacceptable and that the Israeli military’s later treatment of passengers was abusive U.N. Report Finds Israeli Blockade Legal but Raid Flawed - NYTimes.com.

Patrick

 

Looks like we have an answer then:-

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?....283653235072420.54227.139645862806492&type=1

 

Whats odd here is that they said they couldnt find a UK buyer for a pretty much mechanically complete 8F (48173 still is ex Barry, 48518 is gone)..
so they sold it abroad and want to bring back another... if they didnt want this one... why bother for another, who for ?
Wouldnt it be easier to keep the one they have and start restoring it ?.. unless they sold it for a mass profit to Israel.. but I have my doubts.

In Israel, it is said to be restored cosmetically as an Israeli example of an 8F that worked there... so at least there's a good outcome for the new owners.

Maybe next is some of the half dozen of so WD 2-10-0's still in Greece to be had ?

 

Yes - I thought the same. I suppose a cosmetically restored loco in Israel is "better" than one lying rotting back in Turkey. But is it really worth all the effort/cost?

If there isn't anyone interested in buying them, why are they trying to get more?

Richard

 

Are there really another 6 WD 2-10-0s available in Greece? Even if they were brought back I think they be even harder to place than the 8Fs. Of the 3 currently in the UK only 90775 shows any likelihood of near term restoration and they are big, expensive machines to overhaul. A spare boiler, wheels and cylinders for 3672 might be an attractive proposition though.

 

2 of them are runners.. bunch in Thessalonika, and 1 each in Tithorea and Acharnes (athens).
quite recent pictures of them come up on Google.. similar condition to the Turkish 8fs we are talking about here.
Isnt there a spare boiler for one of these in the UK, came with one of them previously imported from Greece?

 

Wasn't it just a firebox? I thought it was fitted and used.Ray.