450 class DEMU disposal NIR

I'm confused....

"The engines / electrics on 15x would be a liability when old"...

Correct me if I'm wrong but the 150/1's are upwards of 25 years old with the 150/2 not that far behind. Makes you wonder how the TOC's run a service with such demic old tat....

Possibly I don't know much about BR 15x as I only drive the things occasionally these days........

 

Of course the easiest thing to do would be just to lay duel gauge track. If you lay a 3rd rail the length of your running line you could start running passenger services right away, and with the money flowing in from all those people wanting to ride this unique railway you could then buy up all the equipment you need to convert them to standard gauge
A win win situation for you

Colin Green

 

theres plenty of UK owned diesels hanging around in Ireland going rusty, you could get one of them and a rake of the Mk3s on tender over there for scrapping and just have Irish Gauge track.

 

Somehow I suspect the whole thread is somewhat hypothetical anyway.........

 

where is the "like" button when you need it!

 

What? All ten feet of it?

 

Good old Alf. How is the pizza logistical business going? You don't give up do you?

 

Why do people feed the fantasist?

 

Nothing on the TV again!

 

The Downpatrick & County Down Railway ARE going for class 80 DEMU vehicles - a driving trailer and two power cars last I heard of.
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Not all of the class 80s have been broken up, those that were broken up were those that were in very poor condition that were cannibalised for spares by the Downpatrick & County Down Railway.
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The engines from a 450 class were re-used from 70 class and one 80 class, thanks for the details of what happened to the power car in the latter class that had its engine re-used for the 450.

I can imagine that the engines in a 450 would be worn yes, as they date from 1966. 451 and 452 both suffered camshaft failure due to this.

Do the English EE 4SRKT engine varients have additional mechanical features in the air induction (ie turbo chargers?) a class 450 engine does not?

Re-guaging : - Could always remove the wheel sets and the axle boxes, fit 'spacers' between the bogie frame and axle boxes of a 450 class B4 or B6 Mk6 sprung bogies, and then fit 4 foot 8 1/2 wheelsets?

I do not know how much interest there has been in class 450s from anyone other than the scrap man. I did ask but it was sensitive information.

What I do know is that some component recovery will have taken place from the [450 Class] vehicles that are currently being tendered for disposal.
As per the letter sent with the ITT documentation the vehicles are being sold in an as seem condition, and NI Railways provides no guarantees to the operational condition of the vehicles.

Asbestos content: -
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450 Class Asbestos Register
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The Register details the known locations of ACM within the Class 450 vehicles, and the actions taken.
While this register details the ACM’s in the Class 450 that NI Railways is aware of, NI Railways does not confirm that this is a full and detailed list and location of ACM’s in the Class 450 vehicles.

Vehicle - Power cars
Location - Arc chutes in Power Casing
Type - Chrysotile
Comment - Staff briefed on how to identify asbestos containing arc chutes. All changed except
Field Divert spacer in 8453, 8456 and 8458

Vehicle - Power cars
Location - Arc chutes in Auxiliary Cupboard
Type - Chrysotile
Comment - Staff briefed on how to identify asbestos containing arc chutes – Arc chutes changed for non-asbestos from 2005 onwards

Vehicle - All vehicles
Location - Arc chutes in Heater Box
Type - Chrysotile
Comment - Staff briefed on how to identify asbestos containing arc chutes. All changed except 2 in 8799 and 1 in 8788

Vehicle - All vehicles
Location - Arc chutes in Environmental Cupboard
Type - Chrysotile
Comment - Staff briefed on how to identify asbestos containing arc chutes – Arc chutes changed for non-asbestos from 2005 onwards

Vehicle - All driving trailers
Location - Carriage end bellows friction pad
Type - Chrysotile
Comment - Units not connected in multiple, and therefore very little wear on friction pad

Vehicle - All
Location - Bogie centre ring friction pad MkVI & B4
Type - Chrysotile
Comment - Changed on overhaul to non-asbestos containing from July 2003

Vehicle - All
Location - Bogie friction disc MkVI & B4
Type - Chyrsotile
Comment - Changed on overhaul to non-asbestos containing from July 2003

Vehicle - All Trailers
Location - Lagging to header tank above toilet/vestibule end
Type - Chrysotile
Comment - Tank located in ceiling void

Vehicle - Power cars
Location - Roof Heating Bank terminal box gasket
Comment - Chrysotile

Vehicle - Power cars
Location - Auxiliary electrical panel covers
Type - Chrysotile
Comment - Staff briefing issued on identifying areas by use of asbestos risk register, and help in identifying asbestos in different forms.
Panels changed to non-asbestos.

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People keep saying that on our group, but then we'd have to re-guage UK stock.
Who owns these Mk 3s going?

 

when will the 150s be going?

 

3.2.13
450 class stock transfer from Belfast Central Station to York Road Depot which involved moving 450 class set 8458 from storage at the old parcel siding at Central Station to York Road Depot
GM227+8097+8069+8090 where all involved in the movement of 8458

February 2013

The 450s that are being sold off are sets comprising the following vehicle numbers: -

453 - 8453, 8783, 8793,
454 - 8454, 8784,8794,
456 - 8456, 8786, 8796,
457 - 8457, 8787, 8797,
459 - 8459, 8789, 8799.

They are at and will be moved to the following for collection: -

Bangor (to Belfast YK)
453 - 8453, 8783, 8793,
457 - 8457, 8787, 8797,

Belfast station (to Belfast YK)
454 - 8454, 8784, 8794,
459- 8459, 8789, 8799.

Ballymena
456 - 8456, 8786, 8796,

TPWS: -
any TPWS that can be utilised on their existing fleets will be removed from
the Class 450 – for example, TPWS isolation switches, TPWS alarm unit
etc.

Departmental service: -

Two sets will be kept for departmental use as Sandite units

455 - 8455, 8785, 8795,
NIR DEMU 8455 at Ballymena | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
Ballymena PW Yard | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (455 is behind 456)

458 - 8458, 8788, 8798.
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Two types of old | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Approximate weights for the vehicles are as follows:-
· Powercar – 62 tonne
· Intermediate – 30.4 tonne
· Driving Trailer 32.4 tonne

Length 66 foot (then I suppose as you say allow for buffers and gangways etc).

 

Now now Martin - perhaps Alf will be kind enough to tell us how his bid is progressing? Any success yet?

 

CLASSIC - ABSOLUTELY CLASSIC! This sort of nonsense, funny to those in on the joke and can see this is the rambling of a loony has a darker side. By keep sending the letters asking to tender for rolling stock you have no hope of ever purchasing to organisations, business and managers that have these assets to dispose off, it will quickly result in them getting completely fed up with anoraks with communication problems and they will no longer offer any assistance for those who actually want to buy old rolling stock or spares to keep their own fleets going. This will result in everything getting shipped off to China in ht form of shredded metal.

You are a dangerous idiot sir and you should learn your lesson and either go and help somebody else with their own real life endeavours, or go and find another hobby like bus spotting.

 

Messages to the same individual saying the same have been posted on WNXX many times but it doesn't get through. He did get a lifetime ban though...

 

I don't know why I am even bothering ... but here goes. Even assuming you could raise the money to buy 9 vehicles, transport them to the UK, remove any asbestos, regauge them, recondition the engines, refurbish and repaint - have you then considered just how big a maintenance effort is needed to keep 9 vehicles in traffic? Or even 6, if you keep one unit under overhaul and two in traffic at any one time? Look at a railway like the GWSR: on passenger numbers of about 100,000 (so I believe) it can basically keep 18 Mk1s in traffic. Even railways like the Bluebell or the SVR only have about thirty-odd serviceable carriages in traffic, and they have built up to that position after many decades of experience and development of skills and facilities. Moreover (so I believe) these vehicles are based on more modern monocoque bodies which require more complex skills to keep maintained than the artisan woodwork and metalwork skills used on older carriages (no offence to restorers of such vehicles intended).

So, starting from zero base and with no passenger revenues to support any development, and no apparent member or volunteer base, you are seriously thinking you can refurbish, regauge and maintain nine vehicles in one go, while also (presumably) dealing with the other little issue of building a few miles of railway track, also from scratch and no revenue base?

Tom

 

I notice that you are "somewhere on planet earth", and therefore very unlikely to bump into Mr Roberts, who obviously isn't.....

Whilst being mildly amused by the inane rambling of this delusionist, I agree with a previous poster that he is going to give other potential purchasers, and the movement as a whole a bad name. Can we please stop feeding this particular troll?