Spare Parts From Barry or elsewhere

As I commented initially, the original assertion concerning multiple sets of motion in the possession of a "group" was very carefully worded. I stand by that observation and respectfully suggest the discussion returns to 45699.

 

Re: 45699 Galatea

Don't see any point in having a guessing game about which "group" *might* have done what, or which locos might have been involved. Can we get back to the subject, please?

The big question is: Who will be first to create some more white smoke: Carnforth or the Vatican?

[Ralph: looking forward to your aerial reports from both locations]

Richard

 

Re: 45699 Galatea

OT I know, but technically the Pope hasn't yet given up his office, so formal discussions by the College of Cardinals to appoint a successor won't even start until he formally resigns, I think in a couple of weeks' time. So Galatea has a head start.

And yes, all this speculation about "who did what when" 30 or 40 years ago is confusing to the great unwashed who don't actively follow the mainline scene, while at the same time having all the potential to trip over into libel territory...

Tom

 

Re: 45699 Galatea

Well I dont know when the security was active, but I can remember as a child in about 1983 we turned up there on a sunday and there was absolutely nobody about, and the fence was non existant. Very thrilled to look round the place before they finally cleared it (there cant have been a lot more than 20 left at the time) but if they were strict on security, I never saw it. On the other hand, by that time they were so picked clean that other than a few bits of debris lying around, there is nothing left anybody COULD nick I would have thought.

 

Re: 45699 Galatea

7754 Mainline ?, perhaps you mean 7752 which came to Tyseley out of Underground service ?, in any case, didn't Tyseley get quite a few spares from Swindon when they were done with steam ?.

 

Re: 45699 Galatea

Maybe wrong pannier
Spares are still spares, and taking them from Swindon or taking them from Barry.. Still adds up to saving what you can when you can, nothing wrong in that.
On that note What happened to the Pannier rods recovered from Old Oak Common recently when the place was closed out ?

 

Re: 45699 Galatea

Hearing stories from the older generation at the SVR. It is rumoured Tyseley stripped Neasden of pannier spares in 71 once the panniers had finished.

 

re: Spare Parts From Barry or elsewhere

New thread created from the Galatea thread.
reminder: before accusing some group of nicking bits.. Be sure you have proof, but..

the historical discussions about who got what spare parts from where and how is a valid story to be shared by all and I'm sure people like to know what is out there and where they went...

 

Far more of a concern is what has happen to all these spare parts over the intervening years. Do groups still have these parts within there inventory of loco spares or have they become lost over the mist of time. I wonder how many loco parts have now been scrapped with out the groups realizing they have been lost or forgotten about.

 

That is the crux of it....
if parts were still being found in store rooms 50 years later... What chance of finding parts hidden on the grass verge off the lineside by some siding, by a volunteer no longer around, which 20 years later is a run round loop lined by trees and the verge now covered in bushes... For an unrestored engine that left the line for elsewhere in the time In between.

 

Re: 45699 Galatea

Who knows what tyseley have in their stores. I have heard stories that no one is from out side is aloud to go in and see what spares they have.
Spare jubilees motion turned up all these years later. I know groups like betton grange have plenty of spare gw parts in their stores but there probably keeping them for use on cogan hall once betton grange is done.

 

It would be nice to think that after all of these years that we could just accept that parts ended up where they did with no further questions asked.
The next step would be to understand what still exists and what could be made available for other projects. Though we could see re(new)build projects based on an original part of a long lost loco, just imagine a GWR Great Bear incorporating an original motion pin!

However human nature being what is is will always find someone that will try to turn it to their advantage, end result would be more involvement for the lawyers and bills to pay.
What went on at Barry has happened and can not be undone. I saw bits 'change' engines, whether this was done with agreement or not I do not know. Rumours at the time were rife about whole sets of motion being carted off systematically.

 

Re: 45699 Galatea

It probably helps to run them that way, if they publicise it in any form, it opens the spares up to theft.

 

It's more than 25 years since the last loco left Barry and more than 45 since the first one escaped. All this talk of what was or wasn't removed is largely irrelevant now. When we rescued 34081 all of the valve chains were missing. Whether these were removed with or without permission didn't make a lot of difference to us as either way we needed a new set. Can't say it troubled us much at the time and it certainly doesn't trouble us now.

 

yeah, water under the bridge now.It seems to me some people bang on about it still because they have their own agenda to bash some particular group or society.

Lots of things used to happen in the 70s/80s. I used to drive round with my kids not belted in, wouldn't do it now, but should I still be harranged about it perhaps?

 

Everyone loves a mystery!

 

Perhaps you should have continued the job and made 81 a rebuilt example ? ,:clock:,

does that make 81 a semi ?
(ok now I'm really running for cover)

 

I don't think many people are 'having a go' at groups for acquiring spares when they were available, but the point to bear in mind is that it would be good if a list of spares were compiled (without owner/location information), possibly coordinated by the HRA?

This would allow loco owners to possibly buy a surplus spare part from another group without going to the much much greater expense of having a new part made.


Keith

 

I don't think there are that many engines out there that are desperately short of motion parts. Where groups acquired an excess of parts from Barry I think these have gradually dribbled back into circulation as one regularly sees reports of groups acquiring missing parts for their project.