Andrew Barclay Makers Numbers

Hello

I was wondering if anyone out there has a more complete list of Barclay works numbers and discriptions for the locomotives produced by Andrew Barclay. Currently there is a list avaliable Locomotive Works List - Industrial Locomotive Society but it begins at locomotive #800 and ends at #1299. I am currently working on the restoration of a Barclay product #1181 built in 1909 and am trying to locate as many detail drawings for it as possible. We have obtained the relevant drawings from the University of Glasgow that were for this particular locomotive, however there are some big gaps in these drawings, most notibly the valve motion. As we are missing these parts after they were damaged, so trying to locate drawings of the valve motion is very important. We have found a number of listings online for valve motion drawings for 0-4-0 but they only list the makers number. If we can match these up with a similar dimensioned loco 11x18" cylinders and 3.0' wheels we should have our drawings so we can crack on with the overhaul. If not then we have some fairly serious working out to do....

There are several other parts that are missing that should be the same as other locos including the fire doors, regulator rod, valve, and stuffing box, brake rigging, and some other smaller parts.

Many thanks
Jason Durry
Wellington
New Zealand
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Hello Jason,

To get the best out of the records, you will probably need to look at Barclay's Bundles Books. (These are at Glasgow, BTW). They will tell you what style/model number your locomotive is. Then, you can read thro' the books, to see what other locomotives were made to that style.

The Bundle Books are the 'key' to the other 3 larger volumes, as they will cross reference against other locomotives. There are about 12 books, and they should have what style of valve gear, etc, contained within.

Glasgow recently removed the last of Barclay's drawings from Kilmarnock, so it might be worth your while to see if anything extra has turned up.

The document(s) you are looking for are: GD329/5/20/1A-1O (That's one-oh, not 10).

Hope this helps,
Ian

 

Having just re-read your post, I see that you have stumbled upon Barclays & Co records. These are totally different to Andrew Barclay. Its a bit confusing, as they were made just down the road, and used the same numbers! If indeed you have a Barclay & Co loco, that is indeed a rare beast, as it is thought that none survive.

Regards,
Ian

 

Hi Ian

Thanks for your most useful reply. The loco is definitly a Andrew Barclay product, built 1909.

It interesting you mention those books, we asked the archives staff to have a look through them but they could not turn up anything useful. It is so difficult being so far away trying to get the right information, if only it wasnt $3000 nzd and a couple days each way I would pop over and have a look my self. Still I think that what we are after is there somewhere its just a case of finding the right place to look.

Had the new saddle tank componants turn up today. We used the general arrangement drawing from #1719 Lady Nan sent to us by its owner. This has proved very useful, the main dimensions being the same as our loco. A great example of global co operation, and is really appreciated.

Regards
Jason

 

Hello Jason,

Your locomotive will have a type number. That will be found in the first bundle book. You then need to look thro' that book, to find the others built to that type. That, in theory, should allow you to scrutinize the other members, to see if they have the missing drawings.

Regards,
Ian

 

Very pleased that you were able to make use of the drawings. The two end sections look very good. What about the rest of the tank sheets? Will you use riveted or welded construction?

Dick

 

Hi Dick

Yes the drawings are very useful. We had no details of the tank at all, apart from the length which we got out of the locomotive specification book at Glasgow, the staff were kind enough to photograph it for us. The tank that was fitted to 1181 at the end of its days was a roughly constructed welded one.

I am just waiting for pricing to roll the tank, my friendly profile cutting place does not have a set of rolls. Once rolled it will be carefully welded together and the welds linished. Seems like too much effort to go to the trouble of riveting especially as they were flush and would not be visable. The cab is the next thing that is going to be cut out, the drawing we have is being put in to a CAD programme at present and once cut will be riveted together as these rivets can be seen on the inside. I am also currently investigating ways of replicating the Barclay pattern diamond plate on the running boards. The previous owner had patched it with different plate and it does look awful. Also have the one remaining injector (which is pretty stuffed) and the one remaining clack valve (off of #1335) being 3d scaned with a view to getting new patterns 3d routed and new ones cast. I have found a model engineering person that has made excellent progress on the 3mm injectors off 1749, making new cones etc and has improved the proformance ten fold. He is confident of making the new internals to the new injectors.

So apart from the sticking point with the valve gear we are moving forward.

Jason

 

Thanks Ian, I have forwarded this information to our plans guru, who has called and spoken with the staff at Glasgow a couple of times. Hopefully they will be able to come up with something.

Thanks for your help.

Jason

 

Be interested to hear how you get on with your injectors as attempts to get mine refurbished came to nothing. Can you remind me if they are Andrew Barclay type and what size they are. If you are successful I might be interested in investigating a set of cones for 1719. Might help with costs of design etc.

Dick

 

Hi Ian I'm working with Jason on 1181 and have been in contact with the University looking for drawings, we have several but are still missing the ones which I presume are just common to several same type locos.
Reading your posts about cross referencing locos for drawings has confirmed what I have been trying to explain to the university archivists, do you know if anyone has researched and documented a list of loco types to same type loco numbers ?.
The people at the university have been excellent so far with their help but have now reached the point where we need someone to go in or commission them to finish the research.
I have searched through N.A.S. for components which have drawings but matching these to the same type as 1181 is a as you would know.

Any help would be much appreciated

Regards Peter

 

Hello Peter,

I've not been to Glasgow for several years. At that time, some of the drawings I would have liked were not there. I'd suggest that certain locomotives with the same wheelbase dimensions, will have similar leading dimensions regarding valve gear, assuming such things as cylinder size/stroke are the same. I would not have thought that gauge is a problem here; eccentrics, etc, are just closer together, that's all.

I'm assuming that the GA of Lady Nan will provide you with most, if not all of the info that you need. I understand 1181 has similar leading dimensions to that loco.

Regards,
Ian