Preserved 9Fs

I like it - I think it suits the 9F better than the passenger green on 92220..

 

That looks fantastic, and nuts to the livery fundamentalists!

 

Indeed yes 92214 does look smart in her new lined Black livery. As for the comments through the thread about check rails on cross overs and the flangeless middle drivers, these check-rails do "stand" quite noticably higher than the older variety. Its a bit like standing on the road and looking at the footpath and seeing the kerb next to a lowered section leading onto a zebra crossing. If you get what I mean.......

 

I'm still undecided personally! Picture from the heritage painting Facebook page.

 

92214 looks really, really good. Can somebody try outshopping one in maroon next?

 

Or Orange and naming it Murdoch!

 

The 9Fs were designed to last in service until the mid 1980s.
http://fictitiousliveries.co.uk/index.php?sort=&livery=&class=9F&group=&coll=
shows what 9Fs would have looked like in BR Blue and in Railfreight grey.

 

Indeed the last of the 9s should have been withdrawn in 2000 after a forty year career having been built in 1960....... When you take into account the "Modernisation plan" I think the idea was with the bulk of the system to go straight from steam to electric without [other than on some of the secondary routes] the chrysalis stage of diesels..............

 

My view on the often-debated fictitious liveries applied to preserved stock is that as long as people know it's not prototypical, and that knowledge is passed on, or there is another example somewhere that demonstrates the 'true' livery (in this case, every other 9f except Evening Star), then people can paint their locos any colour they so wish.
I think it looks amazing.

 

Why except Evening Star? after all it has only ever been in one livery, the one that it was built with at Swindon.

 

I just mean that every other 9f is the same livery as 92214 was in BR days

 

Looks excellent

 

Mind you, BR lined denoted mixed traffic didn't it? Which would be fairly acurate for the work that it currently does?

 

could be worse could be orange, doesn't look quite right through.

 

Even in BR days they were also mixed traffic , although classed 9F - they put in express passenger runs ( 90mph recorded) ,also think of S&D traffic as well.

 

As a matter of interest, is 92214's owner the same Stewart Whitter who, while a driver at Finsbury Park, had the idea of painting the Deltics' window surrounds white?

 

I think the current flurry of historically precedent but class in accurate liveries is commendable and really interesting.

Wouldnt it be a nice if we had a railway willing enough to make a gala out them ?

48624 / 45699 / 92214, isnt their plans also for a Blue "black 5" and a Blue Manor ?
recent memory has seen 46441, 46203 and 35005, going further back there was 80135, 44932 and 44806 in BR Green.

Any others that would be nice ??

... Southern liveried "LMS 8F" ?
... LMS liveried "GW Castle" with LMS fittings / fowler tender
... LMS liveried "Lord Nelson" with fowler tender
... GW liveried "LMS 8F" with copper/brass fittings / GW tender
... GW liveried "LMS princess"..with copper/brass fittings / GW tender

 

80135 is still BR green. OK I know she's in bits at present on the NYMR but the plan is she'll stay green. After all the NYMR has had far more use out of her than British Railways ever did. The story goes in this case, that, Dutch enthusiast and NYMR benifactor Jos De Crau when he "bought" the engine from the railway had wanted to paint her LMS maroon, but was persuaded to opt for BR green instead and made in my view the right decision on advise. You see Jos was of that generation of Dutchmen to have lived through and be old enough to remember the Nazis occupation of the Netherlands and their [the Germans] engines were Black and at the time they were the Baddies. What with the atrocities committed in their name by the Nazis. So whilst he was prepared to pay for the overhaul it was on the condition/request that a different colour scheme be used, hence his idea of LMS maroon and Moors "managements" BR green.

 

Apropos the wider flangeless middle drivers: on a recent visit to the NRM I measured the width of Evening Star's drivers. The middle ones are only about 1 cm wider than the others. So it ought to be possible (in principle, and not on that particular 9F) to reduce them to the same thickness as the others, and that might be enough to avoid the check rails (etc) problem. I can't see that the 1 cm makes much difference to the minimum curve radius below which one middle driver would fall off the rail.

 

My understanding of the 9F flangeless middle driver problem is not the width of the tyre but the fact that check rails on the national network are now allowed to be higher than the running rail. Due to the long wheelbase a flangeless centre driver may try to 'climb over' the raised checkrail. Obviously a flanged centre driver couldn't do this. Ray.