Severn Valley ASG 20th-22nd September 2013

It is according to the WTT. <BJ>

 

First one you've guessed, M is Maroon Mark 1's, C is Crimson and cream Mark 1's, N is LNER teaks, S is the GW dinner set.

 

GW = heritage Great Western stock
OBO = one of the GW managers inspection saloons - we have 2
S = dining set a mix of GW and Mk 1s in choc & cream
M = maroon Mk1
C = carmine & cream Mk1
N = LNER teaks
L = LMS rake

 

Many thanks for the replies. <BJ>

 

Without wishing to stir things up, what's the logic to running the dining train during the gala ?, given the ASG is complex enough and there's plenty of other suitable weekend's for it.

The other year I got lip off a member of staff on it for accidentally getting on the wrong door, oblivious to the fact I had little choice as the right away was imminent and walking through to non dining was the only option, not impressed given the amount of notes I handed over at Kiddy earlier.

 

Personally, I'm against it running at busy events: this year it didn't run at 40's and a good thing too as it was busy enough without it getting in the way. The catering department has a lot of say...

 

Are you saying that a railway enthusiast should not have the oportunity to treat their partner to a meal in a dining car as some reward for putting up with 3 days gricing?

As for the door - there are good hygene and safety implications regarding using some dooors. We would not want you scalded by a pan of spuds would we. We would also not wish to risk contaminating prepared food - I am assuming you were not wearing catering whites and catering hat/hairnet. You could also have caused a calamity with serving staff and had three bowls of soup poured over you You cant lock these doors with the train in service for safety reasons.

As for having to get on - the catering set is only out once a day and as we run an intensive service cold you not have caught the next train.

In your next post you might like to outline what you like about the gala and what brings you back each year.

 

If this is the case, the surely said doors should be marked appropriately? ie: staff only, danger, etc? I appreciate the need for authenticity, but if you are suggesting there is a significant H&S risk based on what door you get on I would have thought it logical to deter passengers from trying to use the said door in the first place?

Thanks for the info. Strange for it not to be facing north then - or perhaps it will at some point (i've yet to see a WTT).

 

What a load of tosh!, I know the difference between a passenger carriage and the bloody kitchen car!, it was a GWR passenger coach, no outwardly marking whatsoever that's visible at night as to whether it's a standard coach or dining, hows that my fault ?, it doesn't help you also have another GWR set out that's completly non dining and unless your purchase the WTT, you don't know what set is on what working.

As for waiting for the next train, you'll find this instance was on a rather cold friday night at Arley, after 9pm from memory, why should I freeze to death for your convenience ?, your not network rail, your a heritage railway that rely's on tourism, we don't have to use you remember, the train concerned also had standard passenger stock towards the rear so quite clearly wasn't 100% dining, so why should I have to freeze for the next train when this is quite clearly one the public can use ?.

Disgusting attitude from a volunteer which should be stamped out at heritage railways so as not to put people off visiting, I think this year I'll use the chippy over the road from Kidderminster station than give the SVR catering/shop staff a penny if that's their attitude.

What brings me back each year ? the rare chance to see steam at night, certainly isn't patronising, ill mannered volunteers who do more harm than good like yourself.

 

Having counted to 100 - It is usually fairly obvious which doors lead into a catering vehicle. Doors into dining areas are used by the diners so you cant say do not use. A high st restaurant has two doors on different streets, Would you walk through the restaurant just to get to the other street? Therefore why is it acceptable to tramp through a dining car if you dont really need to

 

If it's fairly obvious which doors lead into a kitchen car, why are you talking down to me as if I would be stupid enough to walk into one ?.

If you had bothered to read my original post properly, you'll have noticed the right away was about to be given, so walking down the platform was not an option, I wasn't aware it was a dining coach coach until leaving the vestibule as the train was pulling away, would you prefer me to pull the chord and jump down on the ballast ?.

Don't let that stop you digging a deeper hole for yourself and harming the SVR's customer service reputation mind.

 

I don't know whether or not you are involved with the SVR, though given your intimate knowledge of the fleet it appears so. Sometimes, if you're representing an organisation, it's best to take a step back and apologise, whether or not you feel you or the organisation were in the wrong. Which way a loco faces and which rake of stock it hauls are academic to 90% of visitors, but would you return to a pub or a garden centre if a member of staff had shouted at you for using the "wrong" door?

There again, that should be every bit as obvious and more so than which doors on a rake are for dining passengers only...

 

No, it's staying that way. As it's leaving on Monday (no path on RTT yet, but it's staying at Kiddy overnight), it makes sense that it's facing the right way to leave promptly.
There's opportunities either way so best to work with what there is.

 

Yes, but you can't get to this location without a hi-vis vest on - not necessarily a requirement on, say, Eardington. I just find there are better photo spots for north facing engines than there are south.

 

Yes, but the way you worded your original message suggested a significant H & S risk if an incorrect door was used. Regardless of whether its 'usually fairly obvious', if there is a risk, then it should be signed as such. If it's not signed, you can't expect passengers to be able to distinguish between doors in the manner you have suggested, especially if they are not necessarily from a railway/heritage background. I don't think 'usually' and 'fairly' are good words to be using in 21st Century H&S. Its like saying usually the majority of people would be fairly able to see that there are large pits on Bridgnorth MPD - so ask yourself why people aren't allowed to walk around unsupervised?

(Again, i'm going completely off your original post, and do not in any way imply that any action needs to be taken, as i'm not as familiar as others with the coaching stock in question.)

 

Robert - I did not set out to upset anyone - the first post was simply informing that set S was a dining set. My subsequent posts appear to have seriously upset David1984 for which I will apologise.

Robert - whilst involved with SVR any statements made on this forum are mine and mine alone and do. not represent the official views of the organisation.

 

Does anyone know which way 7812's likely to face please? May not be one of the stars of the show, but somewhat more photogenic imo!