MHR Restorations and Overhauls

Absolutely correct about the MLS being interested in the N. From my memory from that time. JB wanted to sell it, but changed his mind. I don't know if the then MHR management were aware of the negotiations, but from the info that was circulating at the time it sounded as though it was a secret deal that got out into the public domain and then subsequently fell through.

If JB still wants to sell the N, then I am sure that various parties will be interested. Sadly if the MHR expressed an interest, I doubt their bid would even be considered!

 

Interesting posts chaps from all of us , myself included though I think we will all have to wait till next summer to find out what will really happen.

Anyone care to open a book for a bit of fun?



Regards
CW>

 

for what its worth, i believe that the deal to sell Bodmin and the 5 will happen, but its to finance the restoration of 35018, why do i think this, well at the time, west coast said they were not paying for it, so who is? and it would suit west coast to have the 5 , which is a go anywhere loco and unlike any other 5 can run at 75 , and 35018 will join tangmere, giving JB a back up engine , of course in time 31625 could join his mainline fleet. 31806,being in ticket will be sort after,if he wishes to sell that and the N. but my money is on 31806 going to swanage for the remainder of its ticket, if he decides to keep it , but i think he will keep it at 35018, Tangmere and 31625 as a mainline trio, and sell the remainder.

 

I was under the impression 34067 Tangmere was owned by West coast and this was also the case for 35018 British India line?

 

no Tangmere is still part owned by JB,i believe, not sure what percentage though , its not owned by West coast, but the other person is a friend of the owner of West coast , As regards 35018, no one actually knows, richard heather sold it , i believe to JB,via his father in law, whats unclear then is why would West coast then say that they are not the ones who are paying for 35018's restoration ,very little is clear with actually who owns what

 

Edited. Martin Butler beat me to the punch.

 

34067 is owned by a business man who knows David Smith of West Coast. He bought it from Ian Riley and John Bunch.

I am not sure who owns 35018, there have been various rumours and one of these was John Bunch's inlaws.

 

Thanks for clearing that up.

 

With 34067, because its maintained by West Coast, people think its owned by them, which isnt the case, i was under the impression that it was only Ian riley's share that changed hands, but i could be wrong. there is always confusion as to who actually owns any of the engines John Bunch supposingly owns, for instance, some were suppossed to be in trust for his children, others jointly between himself and his inlaws and richard heather.

 

I thought Tangmere was bought by someone who wants to remain anonymous and placed it under WCRCs care and that WCRC bought 35018.
The rumour mill suggested WCRC made an offer for 73096 and 34016 (which would make tons of sense), but this months SR suggested this isnt a done deal.

Are 76017, 41312 and 34105 privately owned, or by a group or by the railway ?

 

76017 & 34105 are owned by private groups, 41312 by John Jones, i am not sure if the MHRPS has a shareholding in either 76017,or 34105

 

I am pretty certain that 76017 is owned by John Gibbon and "Swanage" by a number of shareholders that includes the MHRPS though I stand to be corrected on any of the above.

The Ivatt as you say is owned by John Jones.

Regards
Chris:

 

Chris, re 76017 are you sure, because IF i remember wasnt there a std 4 group but when it came to trace them, there was no shares ever issued, John Gibbons , is still part of the Tangmere support group isnt he, and if he owned it, i would have thought it would have left the railway ,

 

Hi Chris,

That's what I'm led to believe has well.

 

Fascinating all this who owns what, its better than reading a good novel.

 

Martin, you may be right about the std 4 group though I am certain about John Gibbon being part of that group:.

Regards
Chris:

 

I remember reading back from a very early MHNews, that the Standard4 group wad chaired at that time by a bloke called Roy Pullen. Has anybody else come across this particular individual?
I also think its John Gibbins not Gibbon!

 

Apologies for the missing "S".

LOLOLOL, I assume that you are trying to make a monkey out of me?



Chris:

 

Latest issue of The Railway Magazine reports that the John Bunch loco's will be leaving the MHR in August. So, the currently operational 31806 will be off but I wonder where?
Have the MHR got anything coming out of the works this year to take her place? I have heard it mentioned and read in the MHN that 76017 will be entering service this year but not until the latter part of 2014.
I guess the railway are quite "comfortable" with the loco's they have in service (850, 925, 34007, 45379 & 92212) anyway so won't be that panicked about losing the U Boat in the Summer.

 

i think time will tell, it depends on what his plans are for 31806, its thought that the 5 and Bodmin could be heading for Carnforth, and a return to the mainline, but what of the 2 u classes, 31625 prooved to be a strong engine when she went mainline, so who knows, will we see 31806 at some stage getting a ticket ? or 31625 getting overhauled, after all there are no other southern mogols on the mainline but for the short term i think that the Swanage railway would be a possible option , after Tangmeres recent problems, i think that John bunch will want at least one of his engines to be main line certificated for next year because he must be missing out on possible work with Tangmere sidelined, i expect the 5 will most likily be first , assuming he isnt going to sell it, if he does then one of the U boats would be an ideal back up