BR Standard locos

Just harking back to the earlier discussion of "what might have been", Cox in "BR Standard Steam Locomotives" shows two proposed designs for 2-8-2 engines. One looks rather like a double chimney standard class four, ie a 75xxx, but elongated at the rear and with a wide firebox over the trailing truck, it was designated "class 90, freight". There was also a proposed 2-8-2 freight loco that looks very much like a 9F, but with slightly larger diameter coupled wheels. I cannot on a quick skim through the book see a proposal for a 2-8-2 express passenger engine. Indeed the inference is that there were plenty of class 8 passenger engines available after the War, so as we know, both the Clans and Britannias were designated "mixed traffic" types.
As others have said, Riddles did see 71000 as a prototype for a new breed of class 8 express engines, but sadly was overtaken by events.

Apart from the E S Cox book mentioned above, the other useful reading on this subject is H C B Rogers book "the last steam locomotive engineer: R A Riddles CBE "

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Did he write that 'Locomotives that never we're' book too ? i have 'Riddles and the 9F's', must get hold of a copy of the above sometime....
The allusion to a mixed traffic 2-8-2 was made by Riddles himself to the Beano( ?) on the occaision of visiting the GCR to see 71000 under restoration... (issue 19 ?

 

Apologies - stand corrected

 

Reference to the 2-8-2 design is mentioned in Cox's book Locomotive Panorama Vol II where, on Page 24, he refers to the proposed Standard freight loco with 2-8-2 wheel arrangement and 5'3" driving wheels. He notes that Riddles had become enamoured with the German 2-10-0 designs that he had replicated with his WD 2-10-0 designs; the latter had proved so effective that once proving 5'0" driving wheels would be effective he had the Brighton drawing office prepare the design which was subsequently handed to Crewe and Swindon to build.

Further references are found in HCB Rogers' book noted above in which the Chief Draughtsmen's Committee had proposed a 2-8-2 design for the freight locomotive but Riddles sought confirmation that a 5'0" driving wheel and wide firebox could fit within a UK loading gauge. Once this was confirmed Riddles adopted his favoured 2-10-0 wheel arrangement for the new design and the die was cast.

 

http://railway-photography.smugmug....-Tank-Engines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T-80-1 = 8,0013 at Bournemouth
http://railway-photography.smugmug....-Tank-Engines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T-80-1 = 80015 on station pilot at Waterloo
http://railway-photography.smugmug....-Tank-Engines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T-80-1 =80018 at Eastleigh
http://railway-photography.smugmug....-Tank-Engines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T-80-1 - 80126 banker at Blair Atholl
http://railway-photography.smugmug....-Tank-Engines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T-80-1 = 80133 shed pilot at Clapham Junction
http://railway-photography.smugmug....-Tank-Engines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T-80-1 = 80145 station pilot at Waterloo

http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-qmcPnPq/A = 80002 leaving Keighley [KWVR]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-59CKMds/A = asabove
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-rXHJ6K2/A = 80002 approaching Haworth [KWVR]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-fBfq3Jt/A = 80002 at Keighley [KWVR]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-tbPBKR2/A = 80002 approaching Haworth ]KWVR]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-Bx6PJ7k/A 80002 at Keighley [KWVR]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-SfnMfkz/A = 80002 enters Haworth [KWVR]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-jj4TQWK/A = 80002 pilotting at Haworth [KWVR]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-jj4TQWK/A = 80002 stabled on Haworth shed [KWVR]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-qRP5PKw/A = 80002 shunting goods train at Keighley [KWVR]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-hFDrfk9/A = 80002 arrives at Keighley [KWVR]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-3nbb6cq/A 80002 shunts goods train at Keighley [KWVR]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-MCZSkjM/A = 80002 stands at Keighley [KWVR]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-mxbGg78/A = 80002 takes water at Keighley [KWVR]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-wpTSvFx/A = 80002 stands at Ingrow [KWVR]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-HdDW6vz/A = 80002 leaves Haworth for Keighley [KWVR]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-5GgDXDP/A = 80002 runs round train at Oxenhope [KWVR]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-rDT39q4/A = as above
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-3qW6bQ6/A = as above
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-9brdVDq/A = as above
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-wKpwvTR/A = 980064 at Horstead Keynes [Bluebell Rly]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-g9d88kv/A = 80064 stabled on Horstead Keynes
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-7vd9VNd/A 80079 at Amersham
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-mxkFxDw/A 80097 + 80079 at Chester
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-SLHZcHg/A = as above
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-TMKKPth/A = 80072 at Pickering [NYMR]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-nDQPWGF/A = 80072 pilots 92203(?) at Goathland [NYMR]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-vSPR4GS/A = 80079 stabled in Bridgnorth [SVR]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-ZCDB7DP/A = 80079 at Ealing Broadway (?)
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-LsbTCNL/A = 80079 at Highley [SVR]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-qGd5pHf/A = 80080 at Harman's Cross [Swanage Rly]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-JrXJnxw/A = 80104 at Corfe Castle [Swanage Rly]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-fbjLTRS/A = 80104 on Swanage shed [Swanage Rly]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-8Rj37dv/A 80105 at Bo'ness [BKR]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-sGBwnRr/A = as above
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-Dh2GqxQ/A = 80135 at Barrow Hill on shuttle service
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-5DrmcVZ/A = 80135 runs through yard at Barrow Hill
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-kpPsLLv/A = As above
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-9mNngGJ/A = 80135 at Pickering [NYMR]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-ZRhLBDj/A = 80135 at Grosmont [NYMR]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-sS7bXbv/A = 80135 at Pickering [NYMR]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-STLKH6c/A = 80136 at Minehead [WSR]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-HJDChkN/A = 80154 at Sheffield Park [Bluebell Rly]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-JPVGptR/A = as above
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-gjCHCDJ/A = as above
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-rKnhr4G/A = as above
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ngines/BR-Standard-Class-4-2-6-4T/i-Rdzvtw8/A = 80154 at Horstead Keynes (?) [Bluebell Rly]

http://railway-photography.smugmug....ss-Tank-Engines/BR-Standard-Class-3-2-6-2T-82 = 82006 at Shrewsbury (?)
http://railway-photography.smugmug....gines/BR-Standard-Class-3-2-6-2T-82/i-BHf4rpN = 82019 station pilot at Waterloo
http://railway-photography.smugmug....gines/BR-Standard-Class-3-2-6-2T-82/i-sc47BLB = as above
http://railway-photography.smugmug....gines/BR-Standard-Class-3-2-6-2T-82/i-7ftS3sS = 82023 station pilot at Waterloo
http://railway-photography.smugmug....gines/BR-Standard-Class-3-2-6-2T-82/i-ptdXpqW = 82028 at Brockenhurst on Lymington branch train
http://railway-photography.smugmug....gines/BR-Standard-Class-3-2-6-2T-82/i-rtbgFmg = 82043 at Bristol Barrow Road (?)

 

The "80064 stabled on Horsted Keynes and 80154 at Horsted Keynes (?) [Bluebell Rly]" - are actually Sheffield Park. It is also 80064 as 80154.

 

Ta muchly for correction; I'm not too familiar with line having made only one visit hence my uncertainty

 

http://railway-photography.smugmug....-2-10-0-92/BR-Standard-9F-2-10-0-92/i-zVdrQwb = 92030 ar Newcastle Central
http://railway-photography.smugmug....-2-10-0-92/BR-Standard-9F-2-10-0-92/i-8v5v9L6 = 92047 at Stockport
http://railway-photography.smugmug....-2-10-0-92/BR-Standard-9F-2-10-0-92/i-L72hkVw = 92071 at Nottingham Victoria on northbound Windcutter service
http://railway-photography.smugmug....-2-10-0-92/BR-Standard-9F-2-10-0-92/i-qbDtGtM = 9F in store at Carnforth in 1968
http://railway-photography.smugmug....-2-10-0-92/BR-Standard-9F-2-10-0-92/i-Dq6p6Dw = 92085 in Barry Scrap Yard
http://railway-photography.smugmug....-2-10-0-92/BR-Standard-9F-2-10-0-92/i-HzSz7Vv = 92094 at Chester on oil train from Ellesmere Port
http://railway-photography.smugmug....-2-10-0-92/BR-Standard-9F-2-10-0-92/i-D7BDjxC = 92146 ? at Kings Cross with parcels train
http://railway-photography.smugmug....-2-10-0-92/BR-Standard-9F-2-10-0-92/i-Z2hbsDR = 92146 at Kings Cross
http://railway-photography.smugmug....-2-10-0-92/BR-Standard-9F-2-10-0-92/i-V764bgr = 92163 at Kettering with Wellingborough - Tees-side iron ore train
http://railway-photography.smugmug....-2-10-0-92/BR-Standard-9F-2-10-0-92/i-TwtQ3VR = 92249 at Carlisle Kingmoor

http://railway-photography.smugmug....R-Standard-9F-2-10-0-92/BR-Standard-9F-2-10-0 = 92134 at Grosmont [NYMR]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....-9F-2-10-0-92/BR-Standard-9F-2-10-0/i-Bzv3NbX = as above
http://railway-photography.smugmug....-9F-2-10-0-92/BR-Standard-9F-2-10-0/i-nK5Gnjf = 92203 pilotted by 99999 on load trial at Merehead
http://railway-photography.smugmug....-9F-2-10-0-92/BR-Standard-9F-2-10-0/i-jMSkjgv = 9220-3 + 53809 at Bury Bolton St [ELR]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....-9F-2-10-0-92/BR-Standard-9F-2-10-0/i-pZTTLMZ = 902203 at Cranmore [ESR]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....-9F-2-10-0-92/BR-Standard-9F-2-10-0/i-mgQZBw7 = as above
http://railway-photography.smugmug....-9F-2-10-0-92/BR-Standard-9F-2-10-0/i-vX5Dg3B = 92203 at Eastleigh shed
http://railway-photography.smugmug....-9F-2-10-0-92/BR-Standard-9F-2-10-0/i-bCwrQp4 = as above
http://railway-photography.smugmug....-9F-2-10-0-92/BR-Standard-9F-2-10-0/i-tFZhS5k = as above
http://railway-photography.smugmug....-9F-2-10-0-92/BR-Standard-9F-2-10-0/i-d5kxQBp = 92212 with 61306 at Lougnborough Central [GCR]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....-9F-2-10-0-92/BR-Standard-9F-2-10-0/i-qzR59cC = 92212 at Loughborough Central [GCR]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....-9F-2-10-0-92/BR-Standard-9F-2-10-0/i-3Pxfd5S = 92212 at Minehead [WSR]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....-9F-2-10-0-92/BR-Standard-9F-2-10-0/i-GrvhNvJ = as above
http://railway-photography.smugmug....-9F-2-10-0-92/BR-Standard-9F-2-10-0/i-6vncRSM = 92214 at Barry Scrap Yard
http://railway-photography.smugmug....-9F-2-10-0-92/BR-Standard-9F-2-10-0/i-xDNjZcC = 92214 at Barrow Hill
http://railway-photography.smugmug....-9F-2-10-0-92/BR-Standard-9F-2-10-0/i-WRkDVL9 = as above
http://railway-photography.smugmug....-9F-2-10-0-92/BR-Standard-9F-2-10-0/i-wxqBK55 = 92214 at Goathland [NYMR]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....-9F-2-10-0-92/BR-Standard-9F-2-10-0/i-5m2WNZ8 = 92214 at Goathland [NYMR]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....-9F-2-10-0-92/BR-Standard-9F-2-10-0/i-b966vdm = 92214 at Rawtenstall [ELR]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....-9F-2-10-0-92/BR-Standard-9F-2-10-0/i-s5rP4Lf = 92219 stored at Ropley [MHR]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....-9F-2-10-0-92/BR-Standard-9F-2-10-0/i-hKz8QBZ = 92220 at Keighley [KWVR]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....-9F-2-10-0-92/BR-Standard-9F-2-10-0/i-bjpSRLJ = as above
http://railway-photography.smugmug....-9F-2-10-0-92/BR-Standard-9F-2-10-0/i-Fb9djCw = as above
http://railway-photography.smugmug....9F-2-10-0-92/BR-Standard-9F-2-10-0/i-3KNL6Kq= 92220 at Northwood Lane [SVR]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....-9F-2-10-0-92/BR-Standard-9F-2-10-0/i-NLzqLRB =92220 at Tyseley
http://railway-photography.smugmug....-9F-2-10-0-92/BR-Standard-9F-2-10-0/i-MgSbvG3 = 92220 on display in NRM York
http://railway-photography.smugmug....-9F-2-10-0-92/BR-Standard-9F-2-10-0/i-vCWG6sk = 92240 in Barry Scrap Yard
http://railway-photography.smugmug....-9F-2-10-0-92/BR-Standard-9F-2-10-0/i-9HMBNqq = 92245 at Barry Scrap Yard

http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/BRStandardSteam/WD-Austerity/BR-WD-Austerity-2-8-0/i-X3nMDXt = 90303 passes Grantham
http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/BRStandardSteam/WD-Austerity/BR-WD-Austerity-2-8-0/i-vD9SvN4 = 90367 at Preston with pw train
http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/BRStandardSteam/WD-Austerity/BR-WD-Austerity-2-8-0/i-3k8jddC = as above
http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/BRStandardSteam/WD-Austerity/BR-WD-Austerity-2-8-0/i-7DG9mS2 = 90405 + another passes Normanton