Its safer by road ???

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You've pretty much answered your own question there.

 

I doubt many loco owners would like their locos dropped even the 18 inches you are talking about.

 

From what I remember-Baxter from the Bluebell fell off a lorry in Croydon and ended on its side. 6023 lost a safety valve bonnet. Royal Scot got chargrilled. One of the A4s had real problems a few years back with its cartazzi truck as a result of lowloadering. Evening Star had its nameplates nicked while it was at a service station. Sir Lamiel had its whistle ripped out on some telephone cabling on its way to the Bluebell. I seem to remember 76079 nearly came off a low loader when the road collapsed under it? There's a fair few stories out there, but I suppose the flip side is that lowloaders aren't subject to track access charges and weekend line closures... My guess is that there are pros and cons either way, but maybe on balance keeping locos on rails might be the ideal!


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For me! i will be happy when it can hold steam, pull trains and do what it is supposed to do, be the flagship of the NRM,
anything else is a bonus, i vote we leave them alone to get on with it, keep our noses out, polish our cameras if that is your thing and wait.
nothing, NOTHING we say or do will speed that up,lets stop looking for reasons to say they are doing it wrong.
The people who have it now are tried and tested competent engineers, leave them be and she'll be right.

The Melter

 

Didn't a Black 5 demolish a set of traffic lights in Keighley(I think) recently?

 

Not just a set of traffic lights but also one of the entrance gates to the Ingrow station site while en route to Ilford(?) for tyre turning this year.

 

not the black 5, the lorry did the damage

 

so we've managed to list out every insurance claim since the 1980s but so far no facts to support that going by road is more damaging to a loco ?

 

It is a bit of a contentious issue, so you may find that there are not many willing to say much. From my experience 9Fs are very difficult to move by road and a significant number of the moves result in a broken rear spring. I doubt any loco has suffered frame damage, but there is no doubt that getting on and off a low loader is not what steam loco designers intended, and the longer the loco the worse the problem is. The problem is much less acute with a diesel, and indeed for locos that haven't been on the mainline for a while road transport for a diesel is preferable. The best thing is to use a very long ramp and a gentle movement. The MHR Thomas has few problems.

 

Those of us who own non main line approved locos have no choice in the matter, it's road or nothing.

 

And surely that is entirely correct. A contractor reports to the people who gave him the contract - that is, the NRM - not the public at large.

Whether the NRM has an obligation to inform or not is a matter for the NRM, not Rileys.

 

Can we have a new thread for "Flying Scotsman discussion (ex-Is it safer by road (ex Flying Scotsman discussion))"

Tom (fetching coat...)

 

The loco must therefore be passed for main line running, a luxury not open to many locomotive owners, unless of course they are heritage railway based and have no intention of ever moving from home base.

 

IIRC there was also an occasion when a jinty was being transported, the lorry behind the low loader ran away, climbed the trailer and rammed the jinty into the low loader's cab?

 

For the record, it was GWR No. 813, but the principles the same.

 

Does a loco have to be passed for mainline running if it is going to be towed cold with relevant motion taken down rather than in steam? IIRC there is a lesser exam to allow for this sort of movement. After all, Mallard was moved this way only a few months ago.

 

There also used to be a lesser degree of certification for industrials too,
like for NCB or CEGB locomotives travelling around with a brake van in tow from one pit or power station to another.
This happened as late as 1977 (the last time i saw it),
so whats the chance of getting a limited mainline ticket so that i can run Colin McAndrew and a GWR toad with the family on board
(so sorry i meant suport crew)
from Cannock chase to Rhyl for a day out. (via Crewe of course)
LOL i would pay good money for that i can tell you.

The Melter