North Yorkshire Moors Railway General Discussion

I'm sure if the NYMR don't want their Schools and S15, I can think of at least a couple of lines in the south busily restoring / operating two schools and three S15s between them who wouldn't say no… ;-)

Tom

 

We do want them, it's only one person who isn't actually involved with the railway as a volunteer (as far as I know) who doesn't. So, no, you can't have em!

 

Spoil sports!

Tom

 

It would be wonderful to see a Schools at Brighton again. I'm sure there would be a market for a reincarnation of the old cross-country trains to say Cardiff or Exeter. One must dream!

http://www.farfromhome.me.uk/30917_6211 @Brighton 61_a.jpg

 

You obviously have no sense of what is best fro the job. The S15 is head and shoulders above a Black 5 and a B1 in what it can do, especially in the steam production stakes. As for the S160, I don't leap fro joy at things American but I will readily admit that it can do its job and do it well. Speaking personally, it has been the wrong decision to sell the loco although it has gone to a very nice man and will get the best of attention. Let's hope it can do battle with the 1 in 49 once more when it is overhauled.

 

OK, if you want to swap the Schools for the Standard 5 I'll have a word with the powers that be.

 

Wasn't he the only brother not to appear in Thunderbirds?

 

I doubt that would find favour with Mr Hat, seeing as our Standard 5 is of distinctly Southern provenance!

Tom

 

"I can think of at least a couple of lines in the south busily restoring / operating two schools and three S15s between..."


I demand a recount/stock take! There were three S15s at Ropley alone only two days ago!

 

Swap your schools for "our" Standard 5.....deal!

 

Hands off; the Schools future is determined by the terms of Clifford Browns bequest and the S15 is owned by the Essex Loco Group. Variety is the spice of life and thats what the Moors has in its Loco pool. I have had some of my best trips behind the S15 on the Esk Valley line. Similarly the Schools seem to perform well during its last running period.

 

Last time I visited the NYMR, I had a lovely run behind Repton down to Whitby and back, and I seem to recall it also did a trip up the hill from Grosmont to Goathland without too much problem with about seven coaches. I missed the S15 unfortunately, but got a run behind a Black 5 (can't remember which; I'm not much of one for numbers) and the NER 0-8-0. As you say, variety is the spice of life!

Incidentally, on the question of Southern locos and non-southern, non-matching coaches: I have a nice photo of a Maunsell Mogul, in Maunsell livery, on a train of seven or eight LNER teak coaches, I think somewhere on the GCR north of London. I also have a photo of one with a GWR train, between Salisbury and Westbury. Just waiting to find a picture of one with LMS coaches to complete the set, but I am sure it must have happened (probably around Bournemouth).

Tom

 

There was also a Leicester - Margate - Leiceser working and I've seen a pic of 34081 on Gresley teak, albeit in BR days. You also got Bulleid Pacifics with GWR stock on Exeter - Plymouth workings via the sea wall.
Variety is indeed the spice of life.

 

I hope that there will be an opportunity to recreate that pairing in the course of 34081's next period of service!

 

Both 34081 and the teak was in BR livery so anyone brave enough to paint an LNER set thus? On the other hand if we revert to 1948/49 malachite the varnished teak finish would be just right.

 

No!

 

Funny how the "paint it any livery you like so long as it is BR" never go down that road. There seems to be an inbuilt belief that:

- All coaching sets were homogenous, formed of the same "generation" of coaches
- Mixed liveries never occurred
- All grouping-era stock miraculously vanished on 31 December 1947
- Pre-grouping never happened

So the photo I have of a BR-livery spamcan emerging from Honiton Tunnel hauling a three-coach non-corridor LSWR set (livery unclear, but possibly Southern) clearly must bbe a fake, because such a thing can never have happened in "reality".

Tom

 

It is a dilemma for restorers of teak carriages. If they are properly restored using teak panels it seems a shame to cover up that beautiful wood, and in practical terms it would probably be necessary to paint the bare wood with a penetrating primer to get a good key for paint - which is very difficult to get out of the grain should the decision be taken to go for varnishing at a later date. On the other hand, if cost is an issue then it is probably better to go for a painted plywood finish as even veneered ply looks pretty awful when varnished. But- wht make your teak coach blend in with Mk 1's when they can stand out like a beacon!

 

Not all the BR livery fans are quite as ignorant of rolling stock matters as you make out but I agree that there's a popular misconception regarding uniform rakes of stock. The NNR did a couple of teak vehicles in blood and custard and they looked superb when paired with the BR B12 and J15. Not sure if they're runners now though. On the other hand, whilst a crimson Quadart rake would be interesting, they look so good in varnished teak, especially with a GNR/LNER green loco, that it would be a shame too paint them.

 

Actually I'd go with that.... BR standards have a way of kind of looking in place anywhere. As much as Id love a more North Eastern fleet, the fact is that there isnt enough left to do it, even with express engines and standards as railways share whats around. Black 5s have become adopted North Eastern engines as their careers move on with preservation and main line working. You could think the same of some of the southern stuff too if you wanted and I enjoy lighting the blue touch paper! At least Repton was painted in BR Green to kind of blend in. Compromises have to be made and in ways Im actually looking forward to seeing Hartland return... (Shock horror I know!)

But with a working Black 5 arriving too, Id swap those two you mentioned anyday!