Steam Charter Delay Repay

In light of recent events I was wondering if anyone could shed light on how this system works now after it's recent changes? ie who pays who and how much, and are charter operators still capped?

Also one specific event recently that seems to have gone unnoticed on the Welsh Marches line I heard was 70000 badly delaying an ATW service train behind it while it slogged it's way between Cwmbran and Shrewsbury. Having lost it's path after the earlier class 70 failure, and with all the loops occupied or too short so there was nowhere for the service train to over take and apparently it was even forced to sit behind the Brit while it made it's water stop at Hereford. I believe the ATW went from about 10 down at Newport to well over an hour late by Shrewsbury while following 70000 unable to get past. Obviously that's quite a complicated case but who owes ATW for the delay to their service?

 

On my understanding, it should be Freightliner paying out, any subsequent delays (ie 70000 to ATW) are attributable to the original failure of the class 70 holding 70000 up, hardly Britannia's fault it was held up and cant go any quicker infront of the service train it should have been nowhere near if not delayed itself.

Any subsuequent delays can be traced back to the original delay that triggered them basically.

 

I will start by saying that I don't know the answer to your questions, but concerning the charter with Britannia last Saturday I'd say both services were casualties and delayed due to the failed freight earlier on in the day. The Realtime trains data shows the charter was released again 48 minutes late. It maintained that until Cwmbran. By "Little Mill Jnc" it had lost a further 8 minutes, slipping to 56 minutes late overall - hardly a massive increase. It then hovered around the 60 minutes late overall (so 12 minute additional delay) all the way until it reached Ludlow - this included a 12 minute stop at Hereford where it took water, rather than a 6 minute stop originally booked. After Ludlow it sat around 66 minutes until the final few miles downhill section into Shrewsbury (where it flew past me) where an addition 4 minutes were added to make an overall 70 minute late arrival at Shrewsbury.

The service from Camarthen to Crewe which followed the steamer up the Marches line can be found here. This would appear to have started accruing delays once it caught up with the steamer, however that is hardly the charter train's fault. It was 'control' who took the decision to restart the charter when it did and send it through before the service train. The charter had slipped a total of 22 minutes by the time it reached Shrewsbury, the service train 66 minutes. This means with the timing allowed for the charter, it was impossible for the service train not to have been delayed. Clearly 'control' must have been aware of this and taken the decision to force a path through at the expensive of the service train.

EDIT: Clearly I took too long to research the times and type a reply! Lol

 

What was the outcome of the ORR consultation on liability for delays? Is it still capped for open access type operators? With three cancellations and quite a few delays as a result of this morning's events I could well imagine the cap will apply today.

edit Sorry campainr, just re-read your first para but the responses focussed on the Welsh Marches trip.

 

it's detailed in a recent railway magazine..

acccess charges are reduced, Loco + Support coach is no longer billed as a "train" but a light engine, costs are based on a class 67 not a 47 (cheaper).
On the negative side
cap is doubled, electrics now pay for electricity, there was something about station access charges.
If I remember correctly NR want to tariff or restrict some routes based on demand..

zero sum gain it would seem

 

Does that mean loco and support moves will run in future as a class 0 than class 5 ?.

Electrics shoulden't make much difference as there is only one that see's occasional use, though the same kind of backwards thinking is used for T/FOC's, and NR wonder why there's so many diesels running under the wires.